Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[ISO]

Not to delve too much into the Fiz is bad debate. I actually do think he's improved his rotation and in game coaching but like with everything Knicks related, it's gone from blatantly bad to showing some promise. That said...



We're not the only ones who think the Knicks should be better than this. There's a HUGE gap between where they are now and anything even good. I say the Knicks should be better as in they should be on pace for 25-28 wins and I'm worried they won't break 20.

The team isn’t devoid of talent. It just lacks chemistry it’s poor fits.

Main reasons the Knicks are losing
-Lack of a closer in the 4Q
-Poor FT shooting personnel games are literally being lost at the line
-Julius Randle being Julius Randle
-Mitchell Robinson constantly being in foul trouble and being unavailable to anchor our defense
-Lack of respect from refs which leads to unfavorable calls nightly and FT disparity
-Inconsistent guard play and lack of play calling which leads to offense stagnating/iso ball especially as a game wears on
-Players that are nervous/jittery play home games come out flat too often in the Garden
-Injuries

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

The team isn’t devoid of talent. It just lacks chemistry it’s poor fits.

Main reasons the Knicks are losing
-Lack of a closer in the 4Q
-Poor FT shooting personnel games are literally being lost at the line
-Julius Randle being Julius Randle
-Mitchell Robinson constantly being in foul trouble and being unavailable to anchor our defense
-Lack of respect from refs which leads to unfavorable calls nightly and FT disparity
-Inconsistent guard play and lack of play calling which leads to offense stagnating/iso ball especially as a game wears on
-Players that are nervous/jittery play home games come out flat too often in the Garden
-Injuries

This roster has talent
But the wrong coach and the wrong pieces will make any collection of talent look like shyt
Fiz has proven that he is the wrong coach for this team DNP'ing Trier when the team goes in scoring
droughts
Stressing ball movement but allowing ISO'sers like Morris and Randle to go ISO crazy w/ no repercussions
Playing politics but constantly playing Portis and Randle together or forcing the offense through Randle
when it should be running through their #3 pick RJ
The list goes on

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

double post

 

[RickyGQ]

Fizdale is hurting Randle's development (if he is even being developed which I don't agree he is) not Morris. There are offensive schemes Fizdale could've employed that would have made their playing next to each other not seem so muddled. Or at the very least, he could choose to stagger their minutes so their times playing next to each other was limited. He's done neither.

I’m not letting Fizdale off the hook but he is staggering them as much as he can while still starting then and giving them starter minutes. My point is only that we have one guy too many that we have to start. Our team was finished after the first day of free agency. Then Bullock got hurt and we used his money to bring in Morris unnecessarily. That’s my only point. Hopefully it pays off in a solid trade but it’s hurting the team on the floor, what we’ve been saying all season.

 

[ISO]

I’m not letting Fizdale off the hook but he is staggering them as much as he can while still starting then and giving them starter minutes. My point is only that we have one guy too many that we have to start. Our team was finished after the first day of free agency. Then Bullock got hurt and we used his money to bring in Morris unnecessarily. That’s my only point. Hopefully it pays off in a solid trade but it’s hurting the team on the floor, what we’ve been saying all season.

Morris should have been signed. Randle shouldn't have been signed. Simple.

 

[DPresidential]

Hilarious how nikkas can bump a thread about RJ being a bust.

Coli nikkas, man. Wow

 

[Miles Davis]

Hilarious how nikkas can bump a thread about RJ being a bust.

Coli nikkas, man. Wow

“Is he a knick? Then fukk him.”

These dudes emotional spectrum is basic as hell and most likely always on envy and hate. Look at the Melo thread, played so so the first few games and they was hating, following games he does better then it’s crickets and “let’s wait and see.”

 

[DPresidential]

Can someone demystify the pros and cons of defensive switching as a general scheme w/ factual sports analysis?

I mean, I am beyond INFURIATED that this is something that we seem to be borderline dysfunctional at in this 3pointer league.

It's crazy. Who does it work for???

 

[RickyGQ]

Morris should have been signed. Randle shouldn't have been signed. Simple.

I honestly don’t think we knew we could get Morris. People forget Free Agency was all but done before free agency even began. After KD said no we scrambled to finish plan b as fast as we could. I think Morris was looking to start on a promising team and when he didn’t get that, he settled for SA, until we found money and convinced him to come to NY.

 

[JMurder]

I’m not letting Fizdale off the hook but he is staggering them as much as he can while still starting then and giving them starter minutes. My point is only that we have one guy too many that we have to start. Our team was finished after the first day of free agency. Then Bullock got hurt and we used his money to bring in Morris unnecessarily. That’s my only point. Hopefully it pays off in a solid trade but it’s hurting the team on the floor, what we’ve been saying all season.

He doesn't have to start both
He doesn't HAVE to start anyone
I think Morris was probably the best signing out of all of them. We probably don't need Elfrid, Bullock, Portis or Randle...and Ellington probably could go if we're not going to set him up for success also. The thing is, the more you guys talk about how fukked up the roster is, the more it sounds like you are saying "we have too much talent," or "too much similar talent." Which means the team shouldn't look the way it does either way

 

[JMurder]

Can someone demystify the pros and cons of defensive switching as a general scheme w/ factual sports analysis?

I mean, I am beyond INFURIATED that this is something that we seem to be borderline dysfunctional at in this 3pointer league.

It's crazy. Who does it work for???

It works for Frank Ntilikina lol. If the other 4 players on the court had Frank IQ defensively, a switch everything defense would probably be top 5. The Knicks aren't poor defending the 3 because of switching because if run properly, a switch should actually help 3 pt defense. The problem we have is we seem to run 3 different defensive schemes each game. And many times the schemes we run didn't fit the personnel on the court

 

[JMurder]

we missed 12 ft's against the nets, lost by 4
we missed 7 free throws against celticz, lost by 2
we missed 7 fts n da nets rematch, lost by 2
we missed 14 free throws against philly, lost by 6
we missed 11 free throws last night, lost by 9
thats an extra 4-5 wins right there.

we are shooting a league worse 69 percent from the line. is it the coach's fault these bums can hit freethrows?

I can make the argument that it is.

While also being the worst free throw shooting team (which it appears you are calling an aberration), the Knicks are also have the worst offensive rating, assist/to ratio, and second worst assist percentage. I suppose you can argue that's not on the coach either

enough with the lazy ass narratives.

also, its not on fizz or even fukkin deandre jordan to tell mitch not to commit the same dumb fouls over and over again for last 2 seasons.

No one said it was.

Some players just get it over some time, some players just dont. as of now, mitch plays like a idiot and its no ones responsbilty but its his own.

What is the point of even having a coach to you. Knicks might as well run out there and do whatever they want the way you're talking.

Yes, it's primarily Mitch's responsibility to figure out his foul woes. But it's the coaches job to assist and develop his young players into becoming better players. It's also the coaches job to recognize whether a player will figure it out or not. I haven't seen any indication that Fizdale is capable of that.

 

[RickyGQ]

I’m not falling for this again. They’re gonna blame us for when it doesn’t happen.

 

[RickyGQ]

He doesn't have to start both
He doesn't HAVE to start anyone
I think Morris was probably the best signing out of all of them. We probably don't need Elfrid, Bullock, Portis or Randle...and Ellington probably could go if we're not going to set him up for success also. The thing is, the more you guys talk about how fukked up the roster is, the more it sounds like you are saying "we have too much talent," or "too much similar talent." Which means the team shouldn't look the way it does either way

that’s not true tho. If the edict from the FO is we need to increase the value of these guys to make a trade, or “we signed these guys and promised them they’d start” then Fizdale’s hands are tied. Again, still not a good coach. Also, talent doesn’t equal chemistry.

 

[Derek Lee]