Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[Wargames]

Funny how every team besides the Knicks either sign or develop their point guard of the future and the Knicks (and the fans) find it difficult to commit to either one.

I don't disagree with you...I just have an issue with the Knicks not committing to a plan. They tanked last year, but didn't want to commit to developing the youth they had on the roster. Then a year after tanking, they decide that they want to win more games while developing the youth... Then bring in vets that stunt development. It's just poor decision-making all around

Exactly..... Imagine this season if the FO came out and said we are still in the process of trying to draft talent? Fiz would still have his job and would have known he shoud play the youth cause blow out or not they need minutes. This is on the FO and ownership. I am pretty sure Dolan at a minimum backed the conflicting plan because he isn't smart enough to know that you can't do both. Even though they basically fired Phil cause he tried to do the same exact thing 2 seasons prior.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Funny how every team besides the Knicks either sign or develop their point guard of the future and the Knicks (and the fans) find it difficult to commit to either one.

I don't disagree with you...I just have an issue with the Knicks not committing to a plan. They tanked last year, but didn't want to commit to developing the youth they had on the roster. Then a year after tanking, they decide that they want to win more games while developing the youth... Then bring in vets that stunt development. It's just poor decision-making all around

As far as Frank goes, we all stated that he's a project and he's gotta learn the toughest position in the NBA to play. Since he's been here, he has already figured out the hardest thing to figure out in the NBA as a young player... Defense. I find it hard to give up on a player who can do great things on a side of the court that players either get or don't. It's easier to change someone's offensive game than their defensive game. I can see Frank figuring out the offense eventually. I don't have that same faith in Trier. But I guess I should be happy that they're working on one of them

How much more time are thinking the Knicks will waste on Frank "developing". It's year 3, and the cat still hasn't taken that "leap" yet or we even haven't seen hint of it.

 

[Serious]

For yall against getting cp3, I think Teague would be a good look for yall as well.

 

[JMurder]

How much more time are thinking the Knicks will waste on Frank "developing". It's year 3, and the cat still hasn't taken that "leap" yet or we even haven't seen hint of it.

Not sure the Knicks have taken developing anyone seriously except maybe RJ. The thing about development is you don't give up because you don't see immediate results. The only thing we're complaining about with Frank now is his mentality to the game. That's it.

Last point, Steve Nash took 5 years to average more than ten points ands 7 assists. Gary Payton took 3 years to average double digits. John Stockton took 4 years to average double digits. Sometimes guys take longer to get it. We got guys in here who gave up on Frank before he completed a second season. The breh is 21 with an all NBA caliber defense. There shouldn't be a question as far as whether we should give up on him getting better.

 

[seemorecizzy]

ive been blaming management from the beginning of da season. i was called a fiz stan.

funny to see all the fiz bashers suddenly being sympathetic to miller and blaming management for his failures

 

[Serious]

ive been blaming management from the beginning of da season. i was called a fiz stan.

funny to see all the fiz bashers suddenly being sympathetic to miller and blaming management for his failures

breh they did same thing when fiz was hired...

But I think its generally accepted that the knicks have a more flawed structural in upper management / ownership ,

 

[RickyGQ]

For yall against getting cp3, I think Teague would be a good look for yall as well.

I hate Teague. Is he that much better than Payton? The wolves are dying to get rid of him.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

I hated that fakkit Teague and his whiskers since his days in Atlanta. Don’t want him anywhere near my team.

 

[Serious]

I hate Teague. Is he that much better than Payton? The wolves are dying to get rid of him.

offensively yes.

He's a hell of an improvement spacing wise.

 

[Serious]

I hated that fakkit Teague and his whiskers since his days in Atlanta. Don’t want him anywhere near my team.

idk how yall expect to get better when you yall say no to everyone.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

offensively yes.

He's a hell of an improvement spacing wise.

Only if Randle is packaged somehow

The vets are killing the kids' development

I can't even watch the Knicks because RJ's development is being stunted

I'm seeing people already down on him on other Knicks boards and that is
what I hate about some Knicks fans

Some are too reactionary

He is not being put in a position to succeed

In an offense where there are plays ran for him. he is the primary playmaker,
and he is surrounded by shooting at 1, 2, and 4,he would be averaging 20, 7, 5

Instead. he is playing with the likes of Randle who clogs the paint and is fukking annoying to watch with his Randle Handle bullshyt and inability to pass out of double, triple, or quadruple teams


Morris who is full of shyt when he talks about moving the ball but what he really means is pass
the ball enough so that it eventually reaches him so he can go ISO or pass it back to Randle and only Randle

Ellington...that's all

No true PG aside from Payton but Payton can't shoot


A bunch of other non shooters and low IQ players who kill spacing and prevent RJ from thriving in the paint

I'm not watching another game until there are trades made

 

[Serious]

Only if Randle is packaged somehow

The vets are killing the kids' development

I can't even watch the Knicks because RJ's development is being stunted

I'm seeing people already down on him on other Knicks boards and that is
what I hate about some Knicks fans

Some are too reactionary

He is not being put in a position to succeed

In an offense where there are plays ran for him. he is the primary playmaker,
and he is surrounded by shooting at 1, 2, and 4,he would be averaging 20, 5, 5

Instead. he is playing with the likes of Randle who clogs the paint and is fukking annoying to watch with his Randle Handle bullshyt and inability to pass out of double, triple, or quadruple teams


Morris who is full of shyt when he talks about moving the ball but what he really means is pass
the ball enough so that it eventually reaches him so he can go ISO or pass it back to Randle and only Randle

Ellington...that's all

No true PG aside from Payton but Payton can't shoot

A bunch of other non shooters and low IQ players who kill spacing and prevent RJ from thriving in the paint

I'm not watching another game until there are trade made

Exactly ,my point. Payton has always been a lozy shooter. He's scrappy on defense and plays hard but he's really more so of a specialist or backup. But yall already got frank.


Teague on the other hand energetic as fukk. Can shoot the lights out and can distribute the ball. Plus it allows a lineup of

1-teague - shooter
2- frank- defender
3- barret- all around
4- Morris - shooter
5- Mitch- defender

Now you have spacing. Plus if you dont like teague he's a free agent next year.

All I know DSJ isn't working out for yall he's regressed something serious.

I think he just needs a new start somewhere else or just some time to reset and get his mind right.

NY right just isnt for him.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Exactly ,my point. Payton has always been a lozy shooter. He's scrappy on defense and plays hard but he's really more so of a specialist or backup. But yall already got frank.


Teague on the other hand energetic as fukk. Can shoot the lights out and can distribute the ball. Plus it allows a lineup of

1-teague - shooter
2- frank- defender
3- barret- all around
4- Morris - shooter
5- Mitch- defender

Now you have spacing. Plus if you dont like teague he's a free agent next year.

All I know DSJ isn't working out for yall he's regressed something serious.

I think he just needs a new start somewhere else or just some time to reset and get his mind right.

NY right just isnt for him.

Frank would have to come off the bench too

He's only shooting 33% from 3
So he would slightly kill spacing too

I would put a shooter there

 

[Serious]

Frank would have to come off the bench too

He's only shooting 33% from 3
So he would slightly kill spacing too

I would put a shooter there

So where does Frank fit in the timeline for yall


Do yall want him to eventually start or just see him as an energetic 6th man that can defend well.

I'm only saying this because it almost makes no sense to keep him.

He needs to be in a system where he can flourish. Somewhere like SA. Pop loves high iq players like Frank.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

So where does Frank fit in the timeline for yall


Do yall want him to eventually start or just see him as an energetic 6th man that can defend well.

I'm only saying this because it almost makes no sense to keep him.

He needs to be in a system where he can flourish. Somewhere like SA. Pop loves high iq players like Frank.

I honestly don't know aside from backup PG with his role being to guard the other team's best offensive wing player/pg

He would need to play with a playmaking wing though or the 2nd unit would have to be entirely defense focused with a 6th man scorer like Trier

If he improves his 3pt shooting to 37%+, RJ can slide to SF and Frank can play SG