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this is simply false
its well know he had a clippers offer on da table
as well as da spurs

morris is da type of player who can pretty much play for any team.
he said he wants to stay here for da long term several times and pubicly turned down opportunies to play with better teams, yet you are still valueing your opinion over his:mindblown:

Forgot he had an offer with the Clips but that kind of proves my bigger point because he fired his agent after the Clippers moved on. He didn't turn down the Clippers, his agent mismanaged the contract negotiations. That's not really an example of him not wanting to go to a championship contender. The Spurs weren't a championship caliber team even with Morris. They would be good... Playoff team... Not championship caliber.
 

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Marcus Morris is the David Lee of 2020, solid player on a bad team. Thought he be more of a Charles Oakley type of player.
 

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I’m really surprised by the Morris love in this thread.

:ehh:

I might have to pay more attention since I actually think he plays more selfishly than even Randle and don’t see him cheering for his teammates the way Julius does.
 

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I’m really surprised by the Morris love in this thread.

:ehh:

I might have to pay more attention since I actually think he plays more selfishly than even Randle and don’t see him cheering for his teammates the way Julius does.
morris doesnt play selfish
 
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on morris- i thought the hope when signing the vets to one year deals in the offseason was that some would play well and then be flipped for assets. so now we're here with one of them playing really well. trade him for a first rounder if you can get it. it's just business :hubie:



barrett is the 3 of the future anyway. why sign a 30 year old SF to the multi years/big money he'll likely want?



someone mentioned trading randle and moving morris to the 4. id prefer that scenario but it seems more far fetched, so realistically i think trading morris is the right move. if the young core was better (namely dsj, frank and knox) i would probably feel different, but they need more chances at acquiring young talent. as many as they can get. :yeshrug:
 

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Oh, like including it in the trade for Bogdanovic? I wouldn’t. Kings are trading him cause they’re gonna lose him for nothing. I saw someone on Twitter say we take Dedmond off their hands with Bogs. I’m thinking Trier, Portis and the 2020 second rounder for Dedmond and Bogdanovic? Think that gets it done? They get a cheaper replacement in trier and they can decline Portis this summer to save money.

This would be the play and I'd even try to hold off on the second rounder. Dedmon publicly wants out, Bogdanovic is gonna walk and Dedmon's contract is pricy for a guy openly wanting to leave. The best part is the Dedmon deal is only partially guaranteed in 2021-2022. So if we want that cap space for the FA class in 2021, he'd only count 1 million toward the cap. He'd give us a second rim protector and one that can do a bit of floor stretching (in 2 seasons with the Hawks prior to this he hit 37% from three on almost 3 attempts per game).
 

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Macri killed it with this one. I think the KFS newsletter is always clutch to have fam. Here's a snippet.

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Tonight will be the 15th game the Knicks have played under Mike Miller. This is both a good and a bad thing.

It’s bad because now when I go to the NBA’s stats page, I won’t be able to look at only the Miller games by using the nifty drop-down menu because that only goes up to “Last 15 games.” Now I actually have to input something in the “Date from” field, which takes a good 8-10 second longer. These seconds really do start to add up after a while.

It is largely good though, because any lingering questions about how real or fake all of this actually is should go finally by the wayside. Not only does 15 games feel like a very representative sample size, but after playing the Lakers, Miller’s Knicks will now have faced half of the teams with the top 10 net ratings in basketball, including three of the top five, as well as five of the six teams that have 25 or more wins.

Compare that with only four games against teams with one of the ten worst net ratings, and you can now officially shove your arguments about how whatever is happening isn’t legit.

And stuff is happening. Aside from the downright respectable -1.1 net rating under Miller I referenced yesterday, as well as their improved defensive and offensive shot profiles I’ve written about a few times, the Knicks have climbed up from the cellar in several basic but still key areas. Perhaps most importantly, they have the 21st-ranked effective field goal percentage in the league with Miller at the helm after being dead last under Fiz. Elfrid Payton is a lot of things, but a shooter ain’t one of ‘em.

They’re also taking much better care of the ball now. Their 12.9 turnover rate since December 6 ranks sixth in the NBA over that timeframe, whereas their 15.3 figure before ranked 18th. On a related note, they have the 12th best assist to turnover number under Miller; it was 29th with Fiz.

One thing that was thought to be going well with David Fizdale was rebounding, and it was, to an extent. The Knicks were the fourth best offensive rebounding team under his watch, but only 16th in defensive rebounding rate and 16th overall. Thanks to more consistency on both ends under Miller, they’ve been 6th.

Last, and perhaps most surprisingly, after playing at a snail’s pace (27th in the league) for the first 22 games, the Knicks have been the 11th fastest team in the NBA under Mike Miller, as Tom Piccolo brilliantly wrote about last week.

Now for the truly crazy part: they might be leaving a good bit of productivity on the table.

Also, Dallas Amico's deep dive on the offensive nuances Miller has implemented just began and it's really good stuff.
 

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This would be the play and I'd even try to hold off on the second rounder. Dedmon publicly wants out, Bogdanovic is gonna walk and Dedmon's contract is pricy for a guy openly wanting to leave. The best part is the Dedmon deal is only partially guaranteed in 2021-2022. So if we want that cap space for the FA class in 2021, he'd only count 1 million toward the cap. He'd give us a second rim protector and one that can do a bit of floor stretching (in 2 seasons with the Hawks prior to this he hit 37% from three on almost 3 attempts per game).

Yup. If we do this, trade Portis and keep Mook, I’d give away Randle for anything. Maybe the Thunder would take him for any of those clippers picks way down the line and try to really compete in the west. Randle for Roberson and some exceptions actually works but i doubt the Thunder would want to pay tax money like that.

I’m desperate to trade for Bogdanovic for more than just him being a really good slept on player. Having his restricted rights is gonna be clutch cause there is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND he’s going to Dallas otherwise and that would completely fukk our picks.
 

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Forgot he had an offer with the Clips but that kind of proves my bigger point because he fired his agent after the Clippers moved on. He didn't turn down the Clippers, his agent mismanaged the contract negotiations. That's not really an example of him not wanting to go to a championship contender. The Spurs weren't a championship caliber team even with Morris. They would be good... Playoff team... Not championship caliber.

“All this stuff that (Paul) didn’t want me to go to the Clippers and didn’t want me to go against LeBron, that’s not true,” Morris told Shams Charania of The Athletic. “He never told me not to take the deal. For as long as I’ve known Rich — and that’s still someone I have love for and that’s still my guy — he has been great in terms of advice. He told me he wanted me to take the Clippers deal. He gave me his advice.
 

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Yup. If we do this, trade Portis and keep Mook, I’d give away Randle for anything. Maybe the Thunder would take him for any of those clippers picks way down the line and try to really compete in the west. Randle for Roberson and some exceptions actually works but i doubt the Thunder would want to pay tax money like that.

I’m desperate to trade for Bogdanovic for more than just him being a really good slept on player. Having his restricted rights is gonna be clutch cause there is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND he’s going to Dallas otherwise and that would completely fukk our picks.

Man, that'd be a dream deadline to me. Manage to get Bogdanovic/Dedmon. Move Portis for a second rounder or two. Randle for some real compensation (hey he's balling since Miller took over). Then call up Wooten and Peters to make the cypher complete.
 
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