Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[JMurder]

this is where i disagree
i strongly believe that mills and perry have a favourtism to certain players they sign in free agency and want them lookin good, so in turn, they look good.

especially in a year where mills assured dolan that the players we signed was a successful off season.

if fizz doesnt play them, it will play a factor in his employment. i mean, they threw him under the bus after 10 games.

how bad would it look if their "star" acqusition w Benched 15 games into da season? there's a lot more to this shyt

That's all well and good but the problem is (and I continually say this) David Fizdale has employed not a single strategy offensively that would make our "star acquisition" look like a great signing. In fact, our star acquisition looks ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. And this isn't because he's actually absolutely terrible. None of us are even saying that. It's because the offense you'd have to run to make a Julius Randle look good is nowhere close to even being run damn near a quarter into the season. Coming into the year we all knew Randle's strengths and weaknesses. Great when coming off a pick and rolling to the rim, great going downhill, not great as an isolation player coming from the perimeter although he too often believes he is....we KNEW all this shyt. So if the goal was to make the players we brought in look good, and they don't actually suck, how is it that we're making them look so bad?? Marcus Morris benefits by actually being a higher IQ player, but Randle is the money guy out of ALL of our acquisitions so you have to believe that this theory of yours would apply to him above all else

I’ve never seen you this pissed about any Knick ever

I'm tired of the caping for this nikka Fiz man. The arguments presented don't even make fukking sense. In what world do we blame the front office for our second year coach starting a lineup of Frank, Knox, Morris, Randle and Gibson? A lineup of one point guard, and arguably four power forwards...when your rookie shooting guard is sick but you have THREE healthy shooting guards at your disposal. And the nikka who you put in the lineup can't even guard players at his own position well, but you want him to START the game defending 2-guards

the team sucks.
hopefully in a few weeks you will realize that and stop trying to finger point.
this just isnt a good team.
if you wanna talk bad coachin, you have to look at talented teams that are underperforming. not trash teams that are playing like..trash.

portland has da talent and they are trash.
nets are underperforming with their so called great coach that u keep praising.

spurs lost 8 straight games before playing us..im sure theres some coaching improvements dat even da great popovich could make.

no coach is perfect in this league. they all mess up. when you have talent you can sometimes win anyway. it is what it is

Man gtfoh with this bullshyt

Callling out BAD COACHING is not finger pointing. It's calling out bad coaching. It's one thing to start 2 SG's with no PG's...cool, that's not so bad. It's another to start a guy who is ONLY a forward at SG. You're legit setting yourself, your player and your TEAM to fukking look bad. And this isn't the only egregious error he's made all year. You wanna wallow in ignorance then be my guest but don't fukking insult the rest of our intelligence by trying to make BAD coaching decisions look intelligent.

I think our front office has a lot to with what happens. The questionable decisions they’ve been making since we had the Knickstape. Trading for Andrea bargnani , giving melo the contract with the no trade clause , giving Hardaway that contract, trading away porzingis( don’t know the situation behind this though)

Those are all front office decisions and YES, front office decisions definitely have an effect on what we see on the court. But between lineups, defensive schemes, offensive schemes, you name every single thing that falls only on the coach and no one else....Fizdale has time and again FAILED at every aspect. Is he an abysmal coach, the worst we've ever seen? No because he at least seems to make adjustments using advanced stats (or something). But some of the adjustments he makes seem to come from a "well why CAN'T we do this" mentality instead of a "This is how we'll best succeed in the game." NEGLIGENCE is the name of the game here and our coach has repeatedly shown to be negligent in his duties

 

[JMurder]

This nikka brought up Gregg Popovitch

Yeah my nikka, it takes GENIUS LEVEL COACHING to say "Hmmmm, maybe I should start a shooting guard at shooting guard."

LIGHT BULB: "I've fukking got it....since we don't have RJ, and we have a bit of a spacing issue...I'll start Wayne at the 2 and maybe we can get some rhythm going to start the game."

LIGHT BULB: "This offense we've got sometimes works, but it usually doesn't work when we operate with Julius as the point guard. Maybe we should keep Julius off the ball and let our guards run the offense."

GENIUS LEVEL COACHING

 

[kej718]

and why are we even still here? bytch don’t cook, don’t clean... she not even that cute....




but i love her tho...

We still remember the good times. That Allan Houston game winner against Miami, LJ's 4 point play.

They refuse to just tear the whole thing downand start with the young core we have. I think if we got Morris first they probably don't sign Randle. Frank, RJ, Mitch, and Morris are the only reason I still watch. I will give them until mid December to turn it around. After that I won't watch another game this season. I'm not going grey for these motherfukkers .

 

[seemorecizzy]

That's all well and good but the problem is (and I continually say this) David Fizdale has employed not a single strategy offensively that would make our "star acquisition" look like a great signing. In fact, our star acquisition looks ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. And this isn't because he's actually absolutely terrible. None of us are even saying that. It's because the offense you'd have to run to make a Julius Randle look good is nowhere close to even being run damn near a quarter into the season. Coming into the year we all knew Randle's strengths and weaknesses. Great when coming off a pick and rolling to the rim, great going downhill, not great as an isolation player coming from the perimeter although he too often believes he is....we KNEW all this shyt. So if the goal was to make the players we brought in look good, and they don't actually suck, how is it that we're making them look so bad?? Marcus Morris benefits by actually being a higher IQ player, but Randle is the money guy out of ALL of our acquisitions so you have to believe that this theory of yours would apply to him above all else

I'm tired of the caping for this nikka Fiz man. The arguments presented don't even make fukking sense. In what world do we blame the front office for our second year coach starting a lineup of Frank, Knox, Morris, Randle and Gibson? A lineup of one point guard, and arguably four power forwards...when your rookie shooting guard is sick but you have THREE healthy shooting guards at your disposal. And the nikka who you put in the lineup can't even guard players at his own position well, but you want him to START the game defending 2-guards

Man gtfoh with this bullshyt

Callling out BAD COACHING is not finger pointing. It's calling out bad coaching. It's one thing to start 2 SG's with no PG's...cool, that's not so bad. It's another to start a guy who is ONLY a forward at SG. You're legit setting yourself, your player and your TEAM to fukking look bad. And this isn't the only egregious error he's made all year. You wanna wallow in ignorance then be my guest but don't fukking insult the rest of our intelligence by trying to make BAD coaching decisions look intelligent.

Those are all front office decisions and YES, front office decisions definitely have an effect on what we see on the court. But between lineups, defensive schemes, offensive schemes, you name every single thing that falls only on the coach and no one else....Fizdale has time and again FAILED at every aspect. Is he an abysmal coach, the worst we've ever seen? No because he at least seems to make adjustments using advanced stats (or something). But some of the adjustments he makes seem to come from a "well why CAN'T we do this" mentality instead of a "This is how we'll best succeed in the game." NEGLIGENCE is the name of the game here and our coach has repeatedly shown to be negligent in his duties

you said randle is at his best when he has a pick and role point guard running the show.
we don't have a good pick and role point guard.
listen, i see your gimmick, you have your favorites and u ride with them regardless, and u have the players/coaches you don't like, and u hate them regardless
so its kinda point less going back and fourth with you because u r not looking at the knicks a whole.
you just lookin for someone to blame

so imma let you cook

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

The decision to make Knox the shooting guard was terrible. He has no awareness, slow footed and has no lateral movement. I think if he gets a little stronger he’d be best suited as a power forward. Stretches the floor let’s RJ drive into the lane. Maybe playing around with guard lineup would work like playing DSJ and frank at the same time or Dotson and frank. Doesn’t hurt to try through out the game but what do I know I’m just a coli analysts

 

[JMurder]

you said randle is at his best when he has a pick and role point guard running the show.
we don't have a good pick and role point guard.
listen, i see your gimmick, you have your favorites and u ride with them regardless, and u have the players/coaches you don't like, and u hate them regardless
so its kinda point less going back and fourth with you because u r not looking at the knicks a whole.
you just lookin for someone to blame

so imma let you cook

Randle is at his best when utilized in a pick and roll setting. Tell me when the Knicks have ever even looked like they were trying to employ a pick and roll heavy offense. You saying we don't have a good pick and roll point guard but I'm wondering where you get that from when the Knicks are top of the league in pick and roll success but bottom of the league in pick and roll attempts. We don't even KNOW if we have a bad pick and roll point guard because we don't utilize it. You picking an argument and you don't even have the facts to back it up

If the Knicks ran pick and roll more, they would most likely be an average in pick and roll success...but at least in that system we would seem like we have a WORKING system where the players getting the most minutes would thrive. Instead we have a convoluted offensive system that breaks down when the players we're trying to feature play hero ball. THAT'S why we have the second worst offensive rating in the league.

SO tell me how I'm riding for my favorites when I'm pointing this out

 

[JMurder]

The decision to make Knox the shooting guard was terrible. He has no awareness, slow footed and has no lateral movement. I think if he gets a little stronger he’d be best suited as a power forward. Stretches the floor let’s RJ drive into the lane. Maybe playing around with guard lineup would work like playing DSJ and frank at the same time or Dotson and frank. Doesn’t hurt to try through out the game but what do I know I’m just a coli analysts

YOU MUST BE A GENIUS!!!!

 

[ISO]

The decision to make Knox the shooting guard was terrible. He has no awareness, slow footed and has no lateral movement. I think if he gets a little stronger he’d be best suited as a power forward. Stretches the floor let’s RJ drive into the lane. Maybe playing around with guard lineup would work like playing DSJ and frank at the same time or Dotson and frank. Doesn’t hurt to try through out the game but what do I know I’m just a coli analysts

Knox is terrible defensively at every position he can play (2-4) it doesn’t even matter

The hope is Knox can get strong enough to be able to play the 4 for stretches.

Knox is so limited right now outside of C&S threes

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Knox is terrible defensively at every position he can play (2-4) it doesn’t even matter

The hope is Knox can get strong enough to be able to play the 4 for stretches.

Knox is so limited right now outside of C&S threes

that’s his only hope at this point. I wouldn’t give up on him just now. He was drafted as a project. I really wanted mikal bridges .

 

[JMurder]

Knox is terrible defensively at every position he can play (2-4) it doesn’t even matter

The hope is Knox can get strong enough to be able to play the 4 for stretches.

Knox is so limited right now outside of C&S threes

I disagree with that last statement. He does well driving, making the additional pass, on top of catch & shoot threes. Also his decision making when driving on the break is on point. He'd be a serviceable rotation player if his defense weren't so god awful. So we might as well start him at the 2

 

[No Homo]

I’m at the gym right now and guess who walks in

Herb Williams

When my pops heard the rumors of Fiz being fired he asked me if herb was still around

 

[Ty-Fife]

Brehs what would y'all think if we went after Markannen when we could make some trades?

 

[Wargames]

Brehs what would y'all think if we went after Markannen when we could make some trades?

for what?

 

[Peter Popoff]

Brehs what would y'all think if we went after Markannen when we could make some trades?

I bet we're trading Randle.

 

[Ty-Fife]

for what?

Since it looks like him and Lavine ain't working in Chicago, if we can clear up the logjam with some trades, dude is still young and could space the floor and I think Frank, RJ and Mitch would compliment him on offense and can hide him on D.

Don't know what it would take though, but dude does look like a diet KP without the defense.