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[Miles Davis]

Thats great news but it makes me sick that little rat Mills will still likely have his job

Freckles can go too since his main objective is to acquire players he was once affiliated with

 

[El Bombi]

New York Knicks name Mike Miller assistant coach for 2019-20

I was thinking of this coach Mike Miller.

 

[Peter Popoff]

I was thinking of this coach Mike Miller.

I wish they had Penny.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

At the end of the day, we have no superstar (or top 10 player for that matter) to build around.

A roster littered with role players. Living in Charlotte now and seeing the Hornets, you might as well swap rosters.

The only player w/ the "potential" to build around them is RJ along w/ whatever pick the Knicks get

Problem is vets like Morris and Randle constantly freeze RJ out,
RJ is stuck in the corner as the offense doesn't run through him but Randle,
and the poor spacing makes it hard for him to drive because he is stuffed by 3+ defenders by the time he gets to the rim

We will get a better idea of these players once Fiz is fired and if the new coach (hopefully Miller isn't on some bullshyt) runs the offense through RJ w/ more shooters around him

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I’m kind of sad that Fiz is going to get fired. He seemed like a good dude and wanted to see him succeed. At the same time he made very questionable in game decisions that had us

but I tell you what, this doesn’t happen if our idiot ass players could hit their free throws. There’s been four or five games that we’ve lost due to free-throw shooting and that’s not on Fiz .

Also the fact that we keep firing coaches every two years shows that this organization is not stable and there’s no continuity.

I’ve said this before Brett Brown has been in Philly since like 2014 and they started with horrible records for the first 2 to 3 years and have been building little by little. Did they give up on him after the second year?
We got a remember fiz Has Head-coaching experience for 2 to 3 years and he still learning.

 

[knickscity]

I’m kind of sad that Fiz is going to get fired. He seemed like a good dude and wanted to see him succeed. At the same time he made very questionable in game decisions that had us

but I tell you what, this doesn’t happen if our idiot ass players could hit their free throws. There’s been four or five games that we’ve lost due to free-throw shooting and that’s not on Fiz .

Also the fact that we keep firing coaches every two years shows that this organization is not stable and there’s no continuity.

I’ve said this before Brett Brown has been in Philly since like 2014 and they started with horrible records for the first 2 to 3 years and have been building little by little. Did they give up on him after the second year?
We got a remember fiz Has Head-coaching experience for 2 to 3 years and he still learning.

Fizdale is gonna get canned, that's just a matter of time. The front office believes in this collection of players, but I cant see why. I do agree if these guys hit their free throws and not turn over the ball late, Fizdale would be safe.

 

[JMurder]

The Knicks really got they fans having an existential crisis this season

The good news is we have the potential to start clean and do an actual rebuild assuming Dolan does it.


I hear what you saying but Mills gotta go, he’s had a fair shot, but he’s yet to do anything with it. He’s shown he isn’t suited for the job.

I think I could debate this but I really don't care that much. You can excuse a lot for him and call it bad luck...

In the case of Perry, I’m not a fan of him bringing his players in when they aren’t even that great, I understand this is common in all industries but I don’t like it when it comes at the cost of developing our own talent.

I agree

Fiz dude just ain’t good. I fell for the hype, I can admit it. But thinking back to when we hired him, he was saying all the right things. If it sounds too good to be true...

Nah, think of it like hiring somebody who's an excellent interview and nails all the questions, but after hiring him you realize that he'd be an excellent worker somewhere else. No way we could've expected dude to be horrid with rotations and terrible at drawing up plays in game. He probably could win with certain rosters, just not the ones he has been given. He needs a team full of veterans and a star I feel like. He'd be great at managing egos on a team full of all Stars probably

I honestly believe Dolan has/had given these dudes free reign so it ain’t on him. We need to start fresh, the rot ain’t coming from the players it’s the FO.

I'm not sure if it's "rot"we're looking for. Look the last few years the Knicks have executed every move and decision with a "not-the-same-ol-Knicks" mentality. Even the Julius Randle signing is not bad (and great considering what the old Knicks would've given him). I don't know if there have been any terrible moves with this Front Office...and the bad moves may only be bad collectively. Maybe if the FO had hired a different coach, the Knicks would be trending towards the optimistic 32 win season some have had instead of currently trending towards having the worst record in the league. Maybe Fizdale looks better if Julius Randle decides to sign elsewhere for more years and we get to see this team with better spacing. Maybe you're right... idk. I just know if I take a step back and take a hard look at everything without being a Homer, I can honestly say (outside of wins and losses right now) the Knicks were trending in the right direction even when you consider that everything that could've gone wrong... Did. Someone gets credit for that too

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

Remembering good times.

 

[JMurder]

Fizdale is gonna get canned, that's just a matter of time. The front office believes in this collection of players, but I cant see why. I do agree if these guys hit their free throws and not turn over the ball late, Fizdale would be safe.

I agree with that sentiment as well.

I also believe that if Fizdale held Julius Randle accountable and actually set up an offense and rotation that promoted his best players' strengths he'd be safe. There's blame to go around but I don't think we can say the players haven't trried out there outside of against Milwaukee.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Fizdale is gonna get canned, that's just a matter of time. The front office believes in this collection of players, but I cant see why. I do agree if these guys hit their free throws and not turn over the ball late, Fizdale would be safe.

It's not that simple
Fiz must take responsibility for

1) having no offensive system whatsoever
He stresses ball movement but it's obvious there is no offensive system except for spacing the floor when a player drives
and getting into position
Also force feeding it to Randle
That's the offense

2) Not holding vets accountable but having no problem ripping the young guys
Randle, Morris, Portis, and Ellington can do anything they want and Fiz doesn't say a word
Randle is pump faking against 3 defenders in the paint?
Call a fukking timeout and tell his dumbass to pass the ball or better yet, bench him to let him know what it is

3) Not putting players in a position to succeed
Examples include...
Portis and Randle are horrible defenders yet Fiz has played them together far too many times this season
Morris playing SF when he should be playing PF most of the time
Even though Morris starts at SF (I get the politics due to Perry and Mills), that doesn't mean he has to play
the majority of his minutes at SF
Fiz doesn't have balls and would never bench Morris or Randle
Doing dumb shyt like playing Knox at SG or not playing Trier at all during scoring droughts
while also giving players random bizzaro minutes
Running nonsense lineups either all defense or all offense w/ no balance
Random rotations

4) Not preparing the team well and not adjusting well during games

Fiz seems like a stubborn guy who has a game plan and will stick to it whether the team is losing by 1 or are losing by 40
He can't make in game adjustments very well and even when he has a decent coaching game, he takes 10 steps back the next
Like forcing players to play zone when it's not working or not knowing how to stop a fukking rookie Coby White who was shytting like shyt from 3 before he exploded against the Knicks

All in all, Fiz sucks

 

[Peter Popoff]

Fiz is just the wrong coach and Morris should be taking Randles minutes at the PF switching RJ between the SG and SF roles and balancing Dotson, Frank, Trier and Knox within the supporting help of that role.

With Mitch's foul trouble, you easily have a 4 to 5 man rotation between the bigs but to ease spacing, 3 big men should not be in a lineup.

 

[Miles Davis]

I think I could debate this but I really don't care that much. You can excuse a lot for him and call it bad luck...


I agree

Nah, think of it like hiring somebody who's an excellent interview and nails all the questions, but after hiring him you realize that he'd be an excellent worker somewhere else. No way we could've expected dude to be horrid with rotations and terrible at drawing up plays in game. He probably could win with certain rosters, just not the ones he has been given. He needs a team full of veterans and a star I feel like. He'd be great at managing egos on a team full of all Stars probably



I'm not sure if it's "rot"we're looking for. Look the last few years the Knicks have executed every move and decision with a "not-the-same-ol-Knicks" mentality. Even the Julius Randle signing is not bad (and great considering what the old Knicks would've given him). I don't know if there have been any terrible moves with this Front Office...and the bad moves may only be bad collectively. Maybe if the FO had hired a different coach, the Knicks would be trending towards the optimistic 32 win season some have had instead of currently trending towards having the worst record in the league. Maybe Fizdale looks better if Julius Randle decides to sign elsewhere for more years and we get to see this team with better spacing. Maybe you're right... idk. I just know if I take a step back and take a hard look at everything without being a Homer, I can honestly say (outside of wins and losses right now) the Knicks were trending in the right direction even when you consider that everything that could've gone wrong... Did. Someone gets credit for that too

You calling me a homer breh? jk

I still hold it against Fiz for not giving Frank an actual shot last season with that shirt leash.

Remembering good times.

Man, that was the end

fukking Pacers, we would’ve won it all that year. I stand by that statement.

 

[JMurder]

It's not that simple
Fiz must take responsibility for

1) having no offensive system whatsoever
He stresses ball movement but it's obvious there is no offensive system except for spacing the floor when a player drives
and getting into position
Also force feeding it to Randle
That's the offense

2) Not holding vets accountable but having no problem ripping the young guys
Randle, Morris, Portis, and Ellington can do anything they want and Fiz doesn't say a word
Randle is pump faking against 3 defenders in the paint?
Call a fukking timeout and tell his dumbass to pass the ball or better yet, bench him to let him know what it is

3) Not putting players in a position to succeed
Examples include...
Portis and Randle are horrible defenders yet Fiz has played them together far too many times this season
Morris playing SF when he should be playing PF most of the time
Even though Morris starts at SF (I get the politics due to Perry and Mills), that doesn't mean he has to play
the majority of his minutes at PF
Fiz doesn't have balls and would never bench Morris or Randle
Doing dumb shyt like playing Knox at SG or not playing Trier at all during scoring droughts
while also giving players random bizzaro minutes
Running nonsense lineups either all defense or all offense w/ no balance
Random rotations

4) Not preparing the team well and not adjusting well during games

Fiz seems like a stubborn guy who has a game plan and will stick to it whether the team is losing by 1 or are losing by 40
He can't make in game adjustments very well and even when he has a decent coaching game, he takes 10 steps back the next
Like forcing players to play zone when it's not working or not knowing how to stop a fukking rookie Coby White who was shytting like shyt from 3 before he exploded against the Knicks

All in all, Fiz sucks

Also,

Running zone defenses that are guaranteed to fail/be exploited by players on the other team (eg. the zone defense they played against the Spurs when Lamarcus Aldridge was on the floor who predictably exploited it, running zone against good 3 pt shooting teams)
Running zone defense when you have 4-5 capable defenders on the court
Never emphasizing pick and roll with Mitchell Robinson, Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Taj Gibson all getting rotation minutes.

 

[JMurder]

Man, that was the end

fukking Pacers, we would’ve won it all that year. I stand by that statement.

I disagree but I remember feeling like Woodson failed to adapt in that series. Even Frank Vogel called out Woodson's strategy against him after playing against Miami. If I recall correctly, Woodson felt they lost because the Pacers were "big"

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Remembering good times.

James Flight White sighting