Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[JMurder]

Knicks on the left

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Does @Shogun still post in here?

I seen him in other threads. We have wayyyyy more knicks stans but they either stopped posting on the coli or the knicks thread.

 

[storyteller]

If we lose every game with Miller but you can see a semblance of an established system that maximizes the poor talent we have then I’m not mad at that. Fiz had a year and a half to do that and didn’t, which leads us to believe he doesn’t have the capability to do such a thing. We can’t tread water and wait for a savior. We have actually build something. He didn’t do that.

It's the dudes who didn't think defense matters or that installing an offensive system was relevant. These types of points aren't gonna hit home because when heads didn't value that stuff to begin with. It does explain how they've convinced themselves that Fizdale had zero responsibility for anything happening on the court for 104 games though...

 

[seemorecizzy]

I asked you to tell me one thing Fizdale did as coach. You have never answered me. I'm still waiting

whenever i talk about fiz coaching and improving the very core you bragged about coming into da season( mitch, knox, trier dotson) and mention how they have exceeded original expectations, you tell me its because they did it on your own.


whenever they do something negative, you say its fiz's fault. you said mitch committin dumb fouls and us missin free throws is a coaching issue

so u obviously you have a personal issue with the guy so showing you what he did is pointless
according to you he was just on the sideline chillin all game. so cool

just keep that same energy with miller.

im sure you got the champagne bottles ready tonight incase we win

ready to bash fiz like we aint beat dallas twice already when he was coaching.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Knicks on the left

Felt like Dotson went 1-15 and Portis went 0-35

 

[seemorecizzy]

If we lose every game with Miller but you can see a semblance of an established system that maximizes the poor talent we have then I’m not mad at that. Fiz had a year and a half to do that and didn’t, which leads us to believe he doesn’t have the capability to do such a thing. We can’t tread water and wait for a savior. We have actually build something. He didn’t do that.

wasnt fizz the coach last year when mitch trier dotson knox all had seasons worth talkin about?
thats the contradiction in all of this.
he was obvuously doing something right if everyone came into this season excited to see their improvements. and surely 20 games in a 82 game season is not to evaluate significant improvement....

miller won't be here next year. the player are most likely gonna learn a whole new offense. 3 different coaches in 1 calendar year

great way to build

 

[ISO]

Talk about instilling a cohesive offensive system on a roster full of ill fitting parts, brehs

 

[seemorecizzy]

It's the dudes who didn't think defense matters or that installing an offensive system was relevant. These types of points aren't gonna hit home because when heads didn't value that stuff to begin with. It does explain how they've convinced themselves that Fizdale had zero responsibility for anything happening on the court for 104 games though...

sayin defense is secondary in a offensive league doesnt mean defense doesnt matter. you cant be this dumb beloved.

and i never said a offensive system doesnt matter, i said the players in the system matter more than the system. you can see an example of this tonight when we play golden state

and i never said fiz has zero blame, you pulled that one out of your ass

 

[RickyGQ]

No one's ever disagreed with this. Don't know why we keep bringing it up.

This also isn't the only roster in the league with poor fits

I know. This was directed at the “seee, Mike Miller is losing too!” crowd.

 

[storyteller]

sayin defense is secondary in a offensive league doesnt mean defense doesnt matter. you cant be this dumb beloved.

and i never said a offensive system doesnt matter, i said the players in the system matter more than the system. you can see an example of this tonight when we play golden state

and i never said fiz has zero blame, you pulled that one out of your ass

This is why I say you're disingenuous AF. Here's you literally saying defense doesn't matter in today's NBA.

Thats always gonna be the the disconnect
Defense doesnt matter in todays nba
Knox is a terrible defender but still won rookie of the month
Trier cant play defense for shyt and was awarded a new contract and is one of the surprise players of the season
Harden doesnt defend
Westbrook doesnt defend
Lebron james doesnt even defend


So having a player out there that plays above average defense in a game where we give up 125 points and lose by 15, doesnt mean much. Especily when hes providin pretty much nothing on the other end.

Theres players in the d league that can come to our team and strictly defend, thats not what we drafted frank to do.


And the reason hes only had 8 starts as the pg is for reasons i already stated.

And here was a back and forth where I said, the Nets had an offensive system in place even when the players weren't good. Your response was that the players have to be there first to install a system (busted logic since good coaches can adapt systems to the talent they have but I digress). Ironically, your response was that Fiz has players now so we should see what he can do...and now you're back to "fiz didn't have the players" so there's goal posts moving heavy on that tip.

Yes, they had the same identity even when Jeremy Lin was the PG and they were winning 20 games. Being trash is not an excuse for not having an offensive system or defensive system in place. That's my entire point.

offensive and defensive systems are not one size fits all.
you get da right players first, then you adapt to your personnel.

we got some of da right players now, so lets see what fitz can do.

 

[RickyGQ]

wasnt fizz the coach last year when mitch trier dotson knox all had seasons worth talkin about?
thats the contradiction in all of this.
he was obvuously doing something right if everyone came into this season excited to see their improvements. and surely 20 games in a 82 game season is not to evaluate significant improvement....

miller won't be here next year. the player are most likely gonna learn a whole new offense. 3 different coaches in 1 calendar year

great way to build

What contradictions? Every player you named looks worse now than they did last year.

 

[JMurder]

whenever i talk about fiz coaching and improving the very core you bragged about coming into da season( mitch, knox, trier dotson) and mention how they have exceeded original expectations, you tell me its because they did it on your own.

I only used that argument for Frank who only got significant minutes when all other options were injured or on leave and Mitch who's only measurable success came after a trade was made. Mitch showed his potential from game 1 of Summer League. I never said Knox, Trier or Dotson exceeded original expectations because they haven't.

This is why I say you're disingenuous AF. Here's you literally saying defense doesn't matter in today's NBA.



And here was a back and forth where I said, the Nets had an offensive system in place even when the players weren't good. Your response was that the players have to be there first to install a system (busted logic since good coaches can adapt systems to the talent they have but I digress). Ironically, your response was that Fiz has players now so we should see what he can do...and now you're back to "fiz didn't have the players" so there's goal posts moving heavy on that tip.

GOTEEEM

 

[seemorecizzy]

What contradictions? Every player you named looks worse now than they did last year.

its 20 games

 

[ISO]

What contradictions? Every player you named looks worse now than they did last year.

This isn’t even true.

 

[seemorecizzy]

This is why I say you're disingenuous AF. Here's you literally saying defense doesn't matter in today's NBA.



And here was a back and forth where I said, the Nets had an offensive system in place even when the players weren't good. Your response was that the players have to be there first to install a system (busted logic since good coaches can adapt systems to the talent they have but I digress). Ironically, your response was that Fiz has players now so we should see what he can do...and now you're back to "fiz didn't have the players" so there's goal posts moving heavy on that tip.

didnt know you would take that shyt literally beloved
defense "doesnt matter" in todays nba compared to the previous nba is what i was saying. its a offensive league where da rules dont even allow u to play defense. didnt no i had to break it down to this level

and yes, a system and players go hand and hand. pointless to have a system if it doesnt cater to the strength of your roster and vice versa.

my quote from july 1st

Knicks keep signing da same players over and over again
Randle fills a need, makes sense, and doesnt disrupt the playing time of players we already have
Da rest are gonna end up gettin playing time over our youth and its counterproductive

granted, i didnt know randle played so reckless lol, but atleast the signing made sense and my point still stands. u dont sign a bunch of vets to take playin time away from da young players and then get mad at the coach because da young players arent developing at the speed you want them to. makes no sense.