Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[ISO]

Post a 4 game offensive rating that includes a game where the team misses more than half of their uncontested field goals

I notice you don't contest my ATO point either (In the first 19 games, the Knicks were -2.4 in ATO conversions per game, -46 total)



I will take into account that Fizdale didn't have Payton for the majority of his tenure this season, but I'll also note that the Knicks looked really bad when Payton was in anyway. In fact, up until Payton got hurt in the Bulls game, the Knicks were well on their way to losing 5 straight. Coincidentally, once Payton went out, Portis got hot and we won. Whether it's coincidence that the Knicks won their four games under Fiz without Payton or poor coaching we'll never know. I just know that the Knicks biggest issues all year under Fizdale, existed when he had Elfrid healthy and starting, and now those big issues are severely relaxed under Miller. We need more games to know for sure.

We were also playing a tough part of the schedule facing San Antonio, Brooklyn, Boston.

We played a great game against the Spurs before it all went to shyt in the 4Q, played well against the Nets until Kyrie went ape shyt in the 4Q, and got destroyed by Boston (who have been one of the very best teams in the league). So that’s misleading.

And yes the Knicks missed uncontested field goals that’s gonna happen we aren’t a great shooting team luckily for us Morris has been on fire all year

The facts are the offensive rating is about the same down .9 while our assists % is about the same up 3%.

We beat a shytty Warriors team and a mediocre Sacramento team that has injuries and has played down to the comp all season (lost to Charlotte and Chicago as well)

 

[Ty-Fife]

@JMurder and @ISO rivalry longer than Stone Cold vs Vince

 

[JMurder]

We were also playing a tough part of the schedule facing San Antonio, Brooklyn, Boston.

We played a great game against the Spurs before it all went to shyt in the 4Q, played well against the Nets until Kyrie went ape shyt in the 4Q, and got destroyed by Boston (who have been one of the very best teams in the league). So that’s misleading.

And yes the Knicks missed uncontested field goals that’s gonna happen we aren’t a great shooting team luckily for us Morris has been on fire all year

The facts are the offensive rating is about the same down .9 while our assists % is about the same up 3%.

The fact is...it's 4 games and I'm willing to bet that if you take out the blowout where the guy who has been on fire all year couldn't hit a shot, those numbers start to look vastly different. It's absolutely retarded to compare 4 games to 22. Now if we compare first 4-5 games



In the month of October (5 games, 4 of which included Elfrid) the Knicks were a 99.6 ORTG with a 51.6 AST%

WAIT A MINUTE. That tweet you posted was after 3 GAMES!!!!! The updated ORTG for Mike Millers 4 games is 103.7 (only reason this jump from 101 is so huge is because of the small sample size) better than the 22 games prior, and a 56.3 AST %

What does that all mean? Absolutely nothing. It's 4 games. The fact that I had reservations about Fizdale during those 4 games that continued into the next 18 is possibly coincidental but I think not. I'm pointing out that those reservations about Fizdale are mostly (but not completely) absent under Miller and that I would like to keep watching to see if it continues.

Also...your point about the tough "schedule"

Spurs are currently 9-15
Brooklyn is currently 13-11
Boston is 17-7 (actually a tough team)
Chicago is 9-18

That's not a tough schedule. A tough schedule is admittedly what Fizdale had to endure at the end of his tenure here. None of that matters though. Let's just play it out. I'm making my comments less as a slight to Fiz and more as a style contrast as I critique Miller's coaching. There's both good and bad there too. I'm allowed to be happy for "better"

 

[Peter Popoff]

Frankly, I'm disappointed and excited at the same time in this team. The rookies have been surprisingly disappointing and embarrassing to watch but the Knicks have been stepping up and getting some wins.

At the same time, I expect improvement from them by January. It's rare that a rookie comes out the gate swinging unless they're prodigies like Kobe or LeBron. Everyone is trying to find an identity and that's what a good coach will do. Sometimes it's better to work off your strengths in the game and practice on your flaws behind the scenes like Ben Simmons does.

I won't mention names but I want these 2 specific rookies to step up big time and contribute to the team. Mitch is getting there.

Edit: I remember when I was a Lakers fan when Kobe played. He would hit shots from the same spot because that was his comfort spot. He also knew how to effectively hit the fadeaway. Those were his strengths. By 3rd and 4th season, he was basically unstoppable and well rounded. His identity was that one spot and that fadeaway. RJ's comfort spot is driving to his left. Frank and Knox have to find theirs. Sometimes, you may not make all your shots but if you know you have one strength that is 80% effective use it and make sure your teammates can help you get to that spot.

 

[JMurder]

As an addendum, MillerKnicks OFFRTG numbers change when adjusting for pace. Last 4 games, Knicks are 102.2 when not adjusted for pace. Knicks 22 games OFFRTG prior to that are not affected by pace at all.

Regardless, Miller's 4 game Advanced Box Score
New York Knicks

Ultimately means nothing right now. We're waiting to see if this is a sustainable trend, or if it continues to fluctuate like it did in the prior 22 games which my buddies ISO and seemorecizzy are probably right that it will.

New York Knicks

 

[seemorecizzy]

until we beat a team as good as the mavericks twice, and compete on a regular basis against high quality teams ( something we didnt do with fiz, but did every now and again (boston, philly twice, nets twice) i really dont wanna hear shyt.


golden state is da worst team in da league
beating sarcomento is no different than us beating da bulls. the antics in here are hilarious

we just got an new coach and for once all season we are relatively healthy. theres a new energy around da team naturally. ane we also have a soft patch in our schedule.

yall talk as if we woulda lost 60 games in a row to close da season if fiz was still the coach

im not sayin don't be happy for a win, but all this hyperbole over miller like the team just went some type of revolution or something is hilarious

just settin yourself up when we get that next 30 point loss

 

[seemorecizzy]

As an addendum, MillerKnicks OFFRTG numbers change when adjusting for pace. Last 4 games, Knicks are 102.2 when not adjusted for pace. Knicks 22 games OFFRTG prior to that are not affected by pace at all.

Regardless, Miller's 4 game Advanced Box Score
New York Knicks

Ultimately means nothing right now. We're waiting to see if this is a sustainable trend, or if it continues to fluctuate like it did in the prior 22 games which my buddies ISO and seemorecizzy are probably right that it will.

New York Knicks

its not sustainable, we are trash.
no fault of millers tho

 

[JMurder]

until we beat a team as good as the mavericks twice, and compete on a regular basis against high quality teams ( something we didnt do with fiz, but did every now and again (boston, philly twice, nets twice) i really dont wanna hear shyt.


golden state is da worst team in da league
beating sarcomento is no different than us beating da bulls. the antics in here are hilarious

we just got an new coach and for once all season we are relatively healthy. theres a new energy around da team naturally. ane we also have a soft patch in our schedule.

yall talk as if we woulda lost 60 games in a row to close da season if fiz was still the coach

im not sayin don't be happy for a win, but all this hyperbole over miller like the team just went some type of revolution or something is hilarious

just settin yourself up when we get that next 30 point loss

I see this viewpoint. I can also see the viewpoint that the Knicks won two straight games, which they never did under Fiz, and have shown evidence that they would've lost games like these last two under him too. I apologize if my posting style annoys you but I was making commentary on Fizdale's coaching in the first 4 games as well, and if you recall, I was angry at the lack of playcalling, and retarded decision-making in the first 4 games. I am comparing and contrasting to Fiz, but that's purely a critiquing method. I'm sure I compared and contrasted with Fizdale as well.

 

[JMurder]

beating sarcomento is no different than us beating da bulls. the antics in here are hilarious

Also, I disagree with this. The Bulls have 0 wins against winning teams.

Sac Town led into this Knicks game having beaten Dallas, Houston and OKC

 

[Peter Popoff]

 

[ISO]

Also, I disagree with this. The Bulls have 0 wins against winning teams.

Sac Town led into this Knicks game having beaten Dallas, Houston and OKC

Like I told you Sacramento has been banged up and has played up and down to the comp

A Kings fan in the observation thread was complaining about beating quality teams but losing to the likes of Chicago, Charlotte, and us

 

[ISO]

Ntilikina has been god awful since Fiz was fired.

Has only cracked two points in each of the past 4 games.

In 3 of those 4 games he was a -20 or worse.

In one of those games he was a telegraphing turnover machine and didn’t look like an NBA caliber point guard at all.

Season averages down to about his rookie year numbers.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

If Randle can continue shooting at least 37% from 3, he can fit next to Mitch and space the floor
But let's see if he can keep it up
i still want him traded though

 

[ISO]

Those Randle numbers are misleading and inflated by a good box score performance in that 4 game stretch

He’s been hitting his threes lately but it’s about damn time

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Those Randle numbers are misleading and inflated by a good box score performance in that 4 game stretch

He’s been hitting his threes lately but it’s about damn time

Some of them weren't even fukking close