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Deep_Black_Conscious
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He should've definitely got Ellington's minutes tonight
They gonna try and act like Trier is a cancer but I want to see Trier play
Even if he liked the comments about RJ it's understandable the kid is a baller
and wants to show his talent
Who ever enjoyed rotting on the bench when you know you are better than half the cats who are playing?
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Scott Perry is basura.
seemorecizzy
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frank put up triple 0's for 3 years and is given unlimited chances and protected like da president in here. knox has a bad stretch and he neeeds to gofans have a love affair with Frank
some fans already gave up on RJ and he hasn't even finished his rookie season
Knox looks basura but I remember PLENTY of games when Frank was complete ass
Posting 0 points, 0 assists, and like 1 rebound
What's the difference now? Confidence
also, knox, frank, rj mitch(,debatable) and knox, have all played their best basketball under fizz. i was told fizz was messing up their development. well now we have a better coach according to most in here,so who's to blame now?
Deep_Black_Conscious
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to be fair, fiz also had a full training camp with them and also had a full training camp with knox and frank the previous season as well as a full seasonfrank put up triple 0's for 3 years and is given unlimited chances and protected like da president in here. knox has a bad stretch and he neeeds to go
also, knox, frank, rj mitch(,debatable) and knox, have all played their best basketball under fizz. i was told fizz was messing up their development. well now we have a better coach according to most in here,so who's to blame now?
miller was thrown into the fire around the middle of the season with no training camp and therefore really no good quality time to install his complete philosophies on offense and defense
remember frank was basura under fiz too until he improved and now he is slowly doing the same under miller crossing over people and dunking with swagger
plus miller is probably focused on keeping his job or staying in the NBA if the Knicks fire him at the end of the season and is therefore probably a yes man for perry and mills
perry and mills most likely advises him on who and who not to play
seemorecizzy
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ive said many times that if you were gonna fire fiz, you should fire at da end of da season. i also said if you wanted to give miller a fair and legitment chance to be a good head coach, you give him a fresh team and a fresh training camp to prepare.to be fair, fiz also had a full training camp with them and also had a full training camp with knox and frank the previous season as well as a full season
miller was thrown into the fire around the middle of the season with no training camp and therefore really no good quality time to install his complete philosophies on offense and defense
remember frank was basura under fiz too until he improved and now he is slowly doing the same under miller crossing over people and dunking with swagger
plus miller is probably focused on keeping his job or staying in the NBA if the Knicks fire him at the end of the season and is therefore probably a yes man for perry and mills
perry and mills most likely advises him on who and who not to play
i was told no, fiz needed to fired immediately and mike miller was gonna make us a way better team.
Deep_Black_Conscious
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He doesn’t. That’s not a knock on RJ but his lack of athleticism and fluidity means his ceiling is just going to be lower. Like i said before the draft, RJ is a will guy. There’s no doubt in my mind he’s going to max out his potential because he’ll will himself there. He has that Kobe in him. But i don’t think he’ll be a super star like Ingram, who is legit a year or 2 away from superstardom. This also doesn’t make RJ a bad pick either. I think we see that there were only 2 superstars in that draft when most people thought it was only Zion. And they both went before us.RJ is currently at 43% EFG 46% TS
Eerily similar to Ingram's 44% EFG 47% TS
Look at what Ingram is doing now
RJ has a lot of room to grow and improve
I actually think he will improve at a faster rate than Ingram did considering his mentality and bball iq
The question is will he have a higher ceiling than Ingram?
Some Knicks fans have already given up on a rookie
On the Knox tip, we can’t sit here, cry about front offices refusing to rebuild and telling them that New York fans are patient/want a real rebuild and in the next breath want to give up on a 20 year old in a nasty sophomore slump. Knox looks bad, there’s no doubt about that. But his play is exasperated by getting inconsistent minutes and an undefined role. Vets like Ellington struggled with that and he’s 32 years old. I’m gonna give Knox the same leash i gave Frank. And like i wanted for Frank last season, i want them to send Knox to the g league for some tune up games.
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East Is In The House OMG
Ok. Not watching another game this season.
Jimmy needs to grow up and fire these bafoons or sell the team
Jimmy needs to grow up and fire these bafoons or sell the team
storyteller
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Knox is in the same place this season that Frank was last season. He's lost his confidence and that's gotten him to a place where he's not even converting on the things that he's good at. I'm still confident that he'll be fine though, the one thing the Knicks have done really well with their drafting is target workhorses. I really do think he'd benefit from some time at the 4 but that logjam has made it hard.
Developing these young cats takes time. Frank is just now showing growth in places that show promise for more. Knox was just as young as rookie Frank. RJ IS just as young as rookie Frank. They're gonna have ups and downs, they're gonna need time to grow into their games. RJ is gonna be really good. Knox has the skillset to at a minimum be a useful contributor. Frank is already a useful piece, how much upside he has is the only lingering question. Give these kids time.
Also, Allonzo Trier should pipe down or produce when he gets his chances. And we better be showcasing Portis, because any time he gets over 25 minutes we're probably screwed. His production might fool another GM though, so maybe this works out.
Honestly, I'd move Portis, DSJ and Zo before Randle even. Randle has actually shown promise since Miller installed the new sets and has had promising splits when he plays with Mitch. I still don't like the fit long term, but it can work for the time being. It's worth watching a bit longer, we've got about a month before any decisions have to be made. Worst case scenario, I think Randle would have more value in the offseason than the deadline tbh. He'll be on a 1+1 contract at that point and if he keeps up his numbers from the Miller system, he'll only have increased his value and production anyway.
Developing these young cats takes time. Frank is just now showing growth in places that show promise for more. Knox was just as young as rookie Frank. RJ IS just as young as rookie Frank. They're gonna have ups and downs, they're gonna need time to grow into their games. RJ is gonna be really good. Knox has the skillset to at a minimum be a useful contributor. Frank is already a useful piece, how much upside he has is the only lingering question. Give these kids time.
Also, Allonzo Trier should pipe down or produce when he gets his chances. And we better be showcasing Portis, because any time he gets over 25 minutes we're probably screwed. His production might fool another GM though, so maybe this works out.
Honestly, I'd move Portis, DSJ and Zo before Randle even. Randle has actually shown promise since Miller installed the new sets and has had promising splits when he plays with Mitch. I still don't like the fit long term, but it can work for the time being. It's worth watching a bit longer, we've got about a month before any decisions have to be made. Worst case scenario, I think Randle would have more value in the offseason than the deadline tbh. He'll be on a 1+1 contract at that point and if he keeps up his numbers from the Miller system, he'll only have increased his value and production anyway.
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Actually, two more thoughts...
Morris keeps this team afloat in ways people imagined Elfrid Payton did. And two, when Morris gets back, I'd keep Bullock with the starters and move RJ Barrett into the unit with Frank, Dot, Knox and Mitch. Let the young guys all develop together, give RJ a better spaced unit to work inside and put him with a group that moves the ball a lot more. Payton does a good job, don't get me wrong, but he needs the ball to create and his focal points are screen men. So RJ's ostensibly a fourth option with the starters. He looked a lot better with Frank, not because Frank is some great PG but because Frank would let RJ take the reins of the offense at times.
Morris keeps this team afloat in ways people imagined Elfrid Payton did. And two, when Morris gets back, I'd keep Bullock with the starters and move RJ Barrett into the unit with Frank, Dot, Knox and Mitch. Let the young guys all develop together, give RJ a better spaced unit to work inside and put him with a group that moves the ball a lot more. Payton does a good job, don't get me wrong, but he needs the ball to create and his focal points are screen men. So RJ's ostensibly a fourth option with the starters. He looked a lot better with Frank, not because Frank is some great PG but because Frank would let RJ take the reins of the offense at times.
I’ve been waiting all season to see this exact lineup. We’ve come close a few times, minus RJ. Why not at least run it for a few stretches? Then run the opposite unit of Taj/Portis, Randle, Morris, Bullock, Payton.
How are these coaches not experimenting more considering they are getting their @ss kicked anyway?
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