Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[Captain Crunch]

I could see Sam Presti being hired as well.

The feeling I am getting from reports are that Dolan just wants to hire someone with a track record of success or who has connection to players.

Masai would be the dream, but guys like Buford or Presti might be more the reality because honestly they may just want to make a lot of money. No other reason to come here but cash out.

Presti is great at drafting
Give him a team w/ a legit shot to sign FA and y'all might be Golden State 2.0

 

[ISO]

This team is so far away from being good

 

[23Barrettcity]

@Ty-Fife

There's a few names that I think we'll wind up linked to for sure. Masai Ujiri is the no brainer but unlikely to happen. I can't see Toronto letting him walk without us compensating them like we're trading for a quality player and even that's a long shot to me. The rumor mill is gonna make this path sound a lot more likely than it is imo.

IF we're continuing the rebuild direction which all sources are starting to point to but we'll know after Thursday for sure...I'd combine our rebuilding position with Dolan's need for big splashy names and think Sam Hinkie's name will pop up at some point if we don't hire quickly. He's the architect of The Process and got Philly fans to be patient longer than anyone expected, then got pushed out right at the next step stage. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's competent and patient almost to a fault. My love for youth and development team building would work with him.

My sleeper choice though would be to try and poach RC Buford from San Antonio. Buford has been with Pop forever basically, won all the chips with him as either Director of Scouting or GM. Those two titles feed into why I love him as a choice too, he's been the scout and been the GM, he knows every level of the game from experience. For the most part, word has been that he's just gotta wait for Pop to retire and the Spurs are his but the man's been in the shadow of Pop his whole career...NYC would be a huge chance for him and he has the acumen. I think poaching Buford would be less costly and is more realistic (especially if the Spurs miss the post season).

I'll have to poke around but the other trees I'd look at trying to shake something loose would be guys who worked under Ainge and Riley. Those are executives who have proven consistently to run a good show and their students ought to bring in the acumen I'd like to see. I'm thinking my boy Vivek from the Knicks Film School crew might be a good person to tap and ask about this stuff. Dude has a crazy good grasp of NBA history and what's gone on in the backgrounds, so he may have some names and ideas that are good. He does the "on this day" articles for KFS, is pretty active on twitter (and realgm) and knows his stuff.

Lol I thought he was saying you’d be a good candidate for the job .
I don’t mind the agent route as we see it is clearly paying dividends in player recruiting.

 

[ISO]

D-Lo isn't the second best player on a championship team imo and I don't think he'll get there.

He’s 23 years old.

Don’t overthink it.

The Knicks are far from winning a championship the priority should be to put a winning product on the floor. At least have sustained success for half a decade.

 

[Montez]

Just the mention of Rich Paul gets me heated. I want nothing to do with Lebron and his camp. Everyone is throwing out names just for the fukk of it. Just because the only way to go is up doesn’t mean we should gamble on anyone. Why the fukk should we give Kenny Smith the job just because he’s from New York and can communicate with the fans? I want to choke Steven A just for mentioning that.


He’s the same guy who cried over the Porzingis draft pick because he wanted Willie Cauly Stein.

Figured Stephen A was doing his friends Mark Jackson and Kenny Smith favors. He does every time the knicks have an opening.

Real tired of older Knick fans wanting Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson back.

I could see Sam Presti being hired as well.

The feeling I am getting from reports are that Dolan just wants to hire someone with a track record of success or who has connection to players.

Masai would be the dream, but guys like Buford or Presti might be more the reality because honestly they may just want to make a lot of money. No other reason to come here but cash out.

With Presti, I think the small market constraints might be the reason he's interested. He's never really had a full hand.

“Given the way the league’s system is designed, small market teams operate with significant disadvantages. There is no reason to pretend otherwise. This in no way means we cannot be extraordinarily successful — we, and several other small to mid-market teams, are our own best examples of the ability to overcome these realities. It simply means we must be thinking differently, optimistically, finding our advantages by other means.”

Yahoo is now part of Verizon Media

 

[ISO]

Just the mention of Rich Paul gets me heated. I want nothing to do with Lebron and his camp.

In the back of my head I think LeBron is coming here when his Lakers contract is over.

Not sure why Rich Paul gets you heated

Most powerful agent in basketball right now with high profile clients and high clout among players. That guy would change the perception around the Knicks instantly.

 

[010101]

turn franchise over to the players & former players*

 

[RickyGQ]

I want that full rebuild so bad.

 

[Wargames]

Is the deadline 3 pm today?

 

[CapitalOne]

Is the deadline 3 pm today?

tomorrow

 

[RickyGQ]

I don't think he's a culture changer tbh. I know the Nets sold him as a leader, but I think they just used his reclamation story to sell other players (Kyrie) on signing there for image reasons. I think you can bring in culture changers for cheaper than he'd cost both as a contract and in what we have to give up for him. In terms of pure value, Knox and Frank aren't too much to bring him in. But if you consider we could target a FVV who comes from a championship pedigree and should come in 10 million dollars a year cheaper...I'd just look his way. And even that's my back-up plan. This draft is gonna be loaded with exciting ball handling prospects. I'd bring one of them in and look for more locker room presences like Taj has been. Guys that don't need a lot of minutes or touches at all, but who instill the right culture (Vince Carter's last few years are a perfect example).

To me D-Lo is 20 shots per game to get 25ish ppg. I think we could get RJ to be that guy and have him on cost controlled. God forbid we end up in position to draft Edwards and I think he's that guy too. So my main point of view is D-Lo's not the type of player we need, costs more than he impacts the game and in terms of culture plays I'd target others instead.

I ain't mad at D-Lo fans though. He's just not my preferred approach.

Am i crazy for feeling like LaMelo is just D Lo without the shooting yet? It’s why I’m not CRAZY about drafting him top 3.

 

[Ty-Fife]

@Ty-Fife

There's a few names that I think we'll wind up linked to for sure. Masai Ujiri is the no brainer but unlikely to happen. I can't see Toronto letting him walk without us compensating them like we're trading for a quality player and even that's a long shot to me. The rumor mill is gonna make this path sound a lot more likely than it is imo.

IF we're continuing the rebuild direction which all sources are starting to point to but we'll know after Thursday for sure...I'd combine our rebuilding position with Dolan's need for big splashy names and think Sam Hinkie's name will pop up at some point if we don't hire quickly. He's the architect of The Process and got Philly fans to be patient longer than anyone expected, then got pushed out right at the next step stage. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's competent and patient almost to a fault. My love for youth and development team building would work with him.

My sleeper choice though would be to try and poach RC Buford from San Antonio. Buford has been with Pop forever basically, won all the chips with him as either Director of Scouting or GM. Those two titles feed into why I love him as a choice too, he's been the scout and been the GM, he knows every level of the game from experience. For the most part, word has been that he's just gotta wait for Pop to retire and the Spurs are his but the man's been in the shadow of Pop his whole career...NYC would be a huge chance for him and he has the acumen. I think poaching Buford would be less costly and is more realistic (especially if the Spurs miss the post season).

I'll have to poke around but the other trees I'd look at trying to shake something loose would be guys who worked under Ainge and Riley. Those are executives who have proven consistently to run a good show and their students ought to bring in the acumen I'd like to see. I'm thinking my boy Vivek from the Knicks Film School crew might be a good person to tap and ask about this stuff. Dude has a crazy good grasp of NBA history and what's gone on in the backgrounds, so he may have some names and ideas that are good. He does the "on this day" articles for KFS, is pretty active on twitter (and realgm) and knows his stuff.

Edit: Found my target from the Ainge tree - Mike Zarren but like Buford and Ujiri, he'd be tough to pry away as a lifelong C's guy

Michael Zarren - Assistant GM and Team Counsel

Good looking, bro

RC Buford really has me intrigued, we really need some of that Spurs success to rub off on us.

I could see Dolan going to Hinkie also since his name is literally synonymous with rebuilding/development and he kinda got a raw deal.

But at the end of the day I just don't want another Phil-type situation setting us back

 

[seemorecizzy]

This team is so far away from being good

facts
but atleast theres hope ( who knows how long it will last) with mills gone.

we had zero chance of accomplishin anything with him around.

 

[storyteller]

Am i crazy for feeling like LaMelo is just D Lo without the shooting yet? It’s why I’m not CRAZY about drafting him top 3.

That's an interesting comparison for sure. I'd give LaMelo an edge over pre-draft Russell in ball handling and a slight edge at executing passes (but he takes enough risks where overall their passing is a wash). I want to say LaMelo's first step is better but it's not enough where I'd expect him to avoid the challenges D Lo dealt with, so that's a wash. I think the bigger gaps are definitely the shooting for Russell and the defensive upside for LaMelo. The extra height and an edge in lateral movement makes me think LaMelo could top out as a flat out good defensive player if he develops right. Russell always topped out as average at best to me.

Overall though, yeah I think LaMelo might wind up more worth the investment in the 5-10 range. It's always risky to pick guys that lack pop athletically and doing that for a guard with questionable shooting makes it doubly worrisome. I will add though that Spencer Pearlman's breakdowns have repeatedly mentioned LaMelo's shot selection and role as bailout option late in shot clocks has made his shooting look worse than it actually is. So if his jumper's upside is higher than the numbers suggest then his passing and handling would bump him up a tier (full disclosure, I haven't seen enough full games to speak on it).

He’s 23 years old.

Don’t overthink it.

The Knicks are far from winning a championship the priority should be to put a winning product on the floor. At least have sustained success for half a decade.

I don't like paying players for what they might become. Especially not paying a guy franchise star salary who isn't even good enough to be the second best player on a championship team yet. It has all the makings of a treadmill move to me unless this year's draft gives us a real franchise star or RJ becomes one.

 

[seemorecizzy]

knicks need to hire someone experienced.
no more gambles on big names and no more recylcled names.
if you wanna hire an agent type to be prez, just make sure the gm is very experienced

last time we had an experienced gm we were a playoff team. not sure why we went away from that in da last 7 years