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Young draft picks on the roster: Time for patience
First, let me acknowledge that I am a big proponent of player development and not giving up on draft picks, even if they have been inconsistent during their rookie contracts. Not every lottery pick or player selected in the draft walks into the perfect situation -- most face some type of turmoil (coaches getting fired, lack of veteran leadership, etc.).

A case in point is what occurred in Phoenix with Josh Jackson. After two inconsistent seasons (and some off-the-court issues) under three coaches, the 2017 No. 4 pick was jettisoned to Memphis last offseason in a salary-cap dump. Then, after a 26-game G League stint -- a period that rebuilt him on and off the court -- the 23-year-old (yes, only 23) found structure in Memphis.

How this relates to the Knicks and their young players is simple. Since the 2017 draft, when Frank Ntilikina was drafted eighth overall, New York has had three head coaches in as many years; Thibodeau would be the fourth next year. The same could be said for former Dallas Mavericks point guard Dennis Smith Jr., who was taken right after Ntilikina in 2017.

RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox II and Ignas Brazdeikis will be going on their third head coach in two years. With the slate wiped clean for new management and the new coaching staff, the Knicks should take a conservative approach on what the future holds for each player. If they don't, a player like Knox could be the next Jackson -- but for another team.

New York's cap flexibility will come down to what the Knicks elect to do with the $43 million in non-guaranteed money tied up in six contracts. Gibson ($9.45 million), Ellington ($8 million), Payton ($8 million) and Bullock ($4.2 million) have $1 million guaranteed each, with the balance becoming fully protected if they are on the roster past Oct. 17. Portis ($15.8 million) and Theo Pinson ($1.7 million) have team options that New York has to decide on by Oct. 17.

If the Knicks wipe the roster clean and let all five players go, the team could have up to $50 million in room. The Knicks can retain Payton, Bullock and Gibson and still have $29 million in cap space.

If the Knicks are over the cap, they will have $9.8 million midlevel and $3.8 million biannual exceptions. If they stay below the cap, they will have the $5 million room midlevel exception.


Resources available to build the roster

  • The draft: two first-round picks and one second (via Charlotte)

  • The potential of up to $50 million in cap space

  • One-year veteran expiring contracts (if not waived): Payton, Ellington, Gibson, Bullock and Portis

  • The young core: Barrett, Ntilikina, Smith, Knox and Mitchell Robinson

  • $4.8 million room exception

  • $5.6 million cash to send or receive in a trade
 

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The lottery has me nervous as hell, man. We never get blessed regardless of how much we need it. :sadcam:

KP looked like one and exceeded expectations and now look... :mjcry:
Not me, all they need is a decent point guard. The team already has hidden potential masked by poor coaching and development. I already called it that Trey Burke is nice and y'all downplayed it so he's balling on Dallas. I'm saying the same with RJ, Knox and Mitchell but y'all keep saying trade Knox. Now if coaching and development is dumb enough and they do then he starts balling out and playing like Brandon Ingram, I'm gonna lmfao. I see and know this shyt.
 

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Things are looking promising, I hope they don't mess this up.

My hope is that all these FO specialists mean we'll be effective or at least offset mistakes.

- We got new vaunted scouts with a three picks this year and a pair of firsts the next couple.
- We brought in a famous cap expert while we have a massive amount of cap.
- We got one of the most famous developmental coaches in the sport with one of the youngest rosters in the league (assuming we don't sign a gang of old men).

So there are good minds specifically here to capitalize on the cap flexibility, the draft picks and the youth on the roster. Even if a few shots miss, a couple of big hits can turn a franchise around fast.
 

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Not me, all they need is a decent point guard. The team already has hidden potential masked by poor coaching and development. I already called it that Trey Burke is nice and y'all downplayed it so he's balling on Dallas. I'm saying the same with RJ, Knox and Mitchell but y'all keep saying trade Knox. Now if coaching and development is dumb enough and they do then he starts balling out and playing like Brandon Ingram, I'm gonna lmfao. I see and know this shyt.

Trey-I was traded though and we got DSJ, that's KP's fault. I'm trying keep up hope for Knox but he has a long way, honestly. Hopefully Kenny coming on the staff and the extended offseason will help him turn a corner.
 

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Trey-I was traded though and we got DSJ, that's KP's fault. I'm trying keep up hope for Knox but he has a long way, honestly. Hopefully Kenny coming on the staff and the extended offseason will help him turn a corner.
Trey I for DSJ was a terrible trade lol. Always thought so.

As much as I wanna be Frankie fans like y'all and give up on Knox, I can't. I've never been wrong about spotting this kind of potential. It's just not a bust.

We have an incredibly shytty staff that cannot utilize these rookies. I guarantee you if they all left and went to the Pelicans, Nets, Grizzlies, they'd be monsters. The knicks have to drive 5 hours outta town to go to a coaching facility is embarrassing enough. I don't know what JVG did during his era but the only thing to resuscitate life into this team is some star power. I'm talking, someone with accolades and not just a 5 min motivational speech from Bernard King and Rasheed Wallace. That shyts a joke. RJ has Nash, he'll be fine. Mitch has AD, he'll be fine. The rest of these guys have noone just whatevers in Tarrytown.

Edit: I kinda hope they trade Knox and some vets to a team like Washington or Phoenix for some false hope just to prove y'all wrong.
 

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My hope is that all these FO specialists mean we'll be effective or at least offset mistakes.

- We got new vaunted scouts with a three picks this year and a pair of firsts the next couple.
- We brought in a famous cap expert while we have a massive amount of cap.
- We got one of the most famous developmental coaches in the sport with one of the youngest rosters in the league (assuming we don't sign a gang of old men).

So there are good minds specifically here to capitalize on the cap flexibility, the draft picks and the youth on the roster. Even if a few shots miss, a couple of big hits can turn a franchise around fast.

So what are your thoughts on our draft odds next week? Since the league changed up the lottery I wonder on a realistic scale where we might land.
 

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So what are your thoughts on our draft odds next week? Since the league changed up the lottery I wonder on a realistic scale where we might land.

I kinda like 'em tbh. It's basically 50% to pick 7th or 8th vs almost 46% to move up. There is a 4% shot at the nightmare scenario of dropping to 9 or 10; but at some point the law of averages has to throw us some more bones. RJ Barrett was the first time we've moved up in a draft since PATRICK EWING fam!

For clarity's sake though, move up includes all of the 1,2,3,4 and 6 slots (all at around 9% range). For LaMelo we probably need 1 and after 2; the parity starts to be tougher to predict. I like Obi and Deni more than any of the other PG prospects personally. Hayes is starting to get a lot of Knicks Twitter love though; that kid's got some serious upside himself.
 

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Looking back at a confident Kevin Knox before our staff killed his spirit.



It's still hurts to this day that the front office didn't just let the young guys run but instead bring in older dudes to stifle their growth, man. It's one thing for the youngest team to lose, but it's another to lose a lot of games by giving vets 30+ minutes a game while punishing our youngins. :unimpressed:
 
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