Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[JMurder]

R.J. Barrett ain’t no SG.

Instead of coddling him talking about bu bu but he won’t be able to bully ball tell that nikka to learn how to go right and improve his shooting.

We should be telling him to do that regardless of anything. He don't need to move to SF to do that and if he can do those things at SG he'll succeed quicker and score easier

 

[Ty-Fife]

I think RJ is fine at the 2

 

[K-ZOE]

Sensible Knick Fans that realize advanced stats ain't about shyt: Ntilikina sucks. Cut this mofo loose asap.

Frank Stans: you do realize Frank leads the NBA in deflections following 4th qtr timeouts when "MAKE SOME NOISE" is displayed on the Jumbotron, right? Smh and it's not even close

 

[Frump]

Need to build through the draft for the next few years. There’s nothing on this team to build around

but I have a feeling there gonna go all in to win 37 games next year by overpaying players like Van Vleet

 

[JMurder]

Some anti-Cole Anthony propaganda
Does Cole Anthony Fit As Knicks' Point Guard Of The Future In The Draft? | The Knicks Wall

In order for the Knicks to have a successful future, they must build around R.J. Barrett and Mitchell Robinson. The team is going to need a pass-first point guard in order for that to happen. If that point guard isn’t pass-first, then he cannot be a high-usage player, as Barrett is a guy who needs the ball in his hands a lot to make things happen.

This past season, Cole Anthony’s usage percentage at North Carolina was 30.0%. Combine that with Barrett’s usage of 24.0% and the Knicks are going to have a lot of problems. Additionally, the Knicks have already had plenty of problems with players who are inefficient and can’t play defense. They don’t need that once again.

If Anthony is drafted to the Knicks, or any other bad team with young players, he’ll end up averaging an extremely inefficient 13-15 points per game, which will immediately stunt his growth as a player. The best case scenario is for Anthony to land with either Phoenix, New Orleans, or Boston—good teams that will likely be selecting between picks 10-14 in the NBA Draft.

NBA Draft Knicks Big Board 2.0

Tier 6: I would feel queasy taking him at 8
Cole Anthony
Oh, Cole…

Again, I think Cole/Kira is an upside/floor play a’la Okoro/Vassell. Unlike Vassell/Okoro though, I think the ceiling on Cole is lower in comparison to Kira’s floor, and I think there’s less of a chance he gets there than Okoro.

But there’s a part of me that looks at the disaster that was Anthony’s lone season at UNC and wonders whether it’s a plus or a minus.

On the day of the lottery, I went back and watched Anthony’s final game at UNC: a 2-for-10 no show job against Syracuse. Maybe Cole wasn’t already checked out, but you sure couldn’t tell by watching him.

While I think it’s possible to parse out the specific facets of Anthony’s substandard play this year from the specific drawbacks of the situation he was in, I don’t know that we can separate the totality of one from the totality of the other. There’s also a chance he wasn’t fully healthy after coming back following a midseason injury. The skills are undeniably there, and he’s the one other guy in this draft besides Ball, Hayes and Edwards that I think has primary/engine upside.

I just don’t know whether there’s a 1, 5, 10 or 20 percent chance he gets there. There’s only so much lipstick you can put on a 45.1 eFG% and a 1.14 AST/TO ratio, after all.

Given that the Knicks aren’t an ideal environment to highlight his strengths and diminish his weaknesses, from a roster standpoint at least, I remain dubious.

 

[JMurder]

Sensible Knick Fans that realize advanced stats ain't about shyt: Ntilikina sucks. Cut this mofo loose asap.

Frank Stans: you do realize Frank leads the NBA in deflections following 4th qtr timeouts when "MAKE SOME NOISE" is displayed on the Jumbotron, right? Smh and it's not even close

1st...I don't think there is such a thing as a sensible Knicks fan

2nd...the fact that you're calling a tool that all of the best teams are using to improve and monitor their teams "ain't shyt" is further proof of my 1st statement.

3rd... That was a pretty good made up stat that I would believe Frank actually achieved but...

4th.... Anybody who seen Frank in the Rockets game and then watched his 20 & 10 game and is in a hurry to throw him in the bushes probably shouldn't be listened to. Frank is the player you wait to see if he completely flames out but you don't give up on until you've completely exhausted all possibilities because a good team WILL take advantage of his defensive capabilities

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

1st...I don't think there is such a thing as a sensible Knicks fan

2nd...the fact that you're calling a tool that all of the best teams are using to improve and monitor their teams "ain't shyt" is further proof of my 1st statement.

3rd... That was a pretty good made up stat that I would believe Frank actually achieved but...

4th.... Anybody who seen Frank in the Rockets game and then watched his 20 & 10 game and is in a hurry to throw him in the bushes probably shouldn't be listened to. Frank is the player you wait to see if he completely flames out but you don't give up on until you've completely exhausted all possibilities because a good team WILL take advantage of his defensive capabilities

These cats blood boil every time we post a video, instagram post or article on frank.

guess what fekkits we ain’t gon stop @KnickstapeCity

 

[ISO]

"In order for the Knicks to have a successful future, they must build around R.J. Barrett and Mitchell Robinson. The team is going to need a pass-first point guard in order for that to happen."

Not necessairily. The Knicks need somebody who is dynamic with some athleticism that can push the tempo and shoot off the dribble. Cole also shows promise off-ball with those Iverson cuts, he was in the 96th percentile in open C&S. That means he can play with Barrett or Ntilikina running the offense.

I can see a rookie Cole putting up 14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists on 40/35/75 splits taking 4-5 threes a game.

If we get good shooters at the 2 and 4 spots with Cole, R.J., Mitch that would be ideal.

 

[JMurder]

"In order for the Knicks to have a successful future, they must build around R.J. Barrett and Mitchell Robinson. The team is going to need a pass-first point guard in order for that to happen."

Not necessairily. The Knicks need somebody who is dynamic with some athleticism that can push the tempo and shoot off the dribble. Cole also shows promise off-ball with those Iverson cuts, he was in the 96th percentile in open C&S. That means he can play with Barrett or Ntilikina running the offense.

How does it mean this? While yes Cole can push the tempo and shoot off the dribble... The crucial element here is turning him into LESS of a score first guard and more of a combo guard who takes what the defense gives him.
Be honest with yourself about Cole. He's supremely talented, but also extremely flawed. You're talking up his positives but completely ignoring his negatives. He was turnover prone in college and there's no reason to expect that to change with tougher competition. He can pass to the open teammate but doesn't pass a teammate open. His shot selection is sometimes basura and it reflects in his TS%. How do the Knicks mitigate his weaknesses as currently constructed?

I can see a rookie Cole putting up 14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists on 40/35/75 splits taking 4-5 threes a game.

If we get good shooters at the 2 and 4 spots with Cole, R.J., Mitch that would be ideal.

I can too...I can also see him having a VERY up and down season on this team if he's expected to contribute right away with the downs being more glaring than the ups

Knicks need shooters no matter what tho

 

[ISO]

How does it mean this? While yes Cole can push the tempo and shoot off the dribble... The crucial element here is turning him into LESS of a score first guard and more of a combo guard who takes what the defense gives him.
Be honest with yourself about Cole. He's supremely talented, but also extremely flawed. You're talking up his positives but completely ignoring his negatives. He was turnover prone in college and there's no reason to expect that to change with tougher competition. He can pass to the open teammate but doesn't pass a teammate open. His shot selection is sometimes basura and it reflects in his TS%. How do the Knicks mitigate his weaknesses as currently constructed?


I can too...I can also see him having a VERY up and down season on this team if he's expected to contribute right away with the downs being more glaring than the ups

They need to put spacing around him like I said. He didn't have that at UNC. He'd have a secondary ball handler with R.J., he'd have a vertical spacer with Mitch, next we need a movement shooter at the 2 (Ellington is better than he played), and a stretch big at the 4 (Ibaka would be nice, with Knox backing him up). It would decrease his turnover and efficiency issues.

We don't have nobody that can really step into a three off a screen on ball it's sad. Our best guy might be Dotson there. That's why I'm high on players like LaMelo, Killian, Cole for this team, shot creation is desperately needed. Cole is mechanically sound as a pull up and spot up guy with a quick first step and nice strength for a PG.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

put the ball in his hands and watch him flourish.

 

[Ty-Fife]

I hope we give Iggy and Kenny Wooten a chance this season

 

[KnickstapeCity]

put the ball in his hands and watch him flourish.

 

[Wargames]

Honestly I don’t think the Suns give away #10 but offer it as a trade down with Oubre for the Knicks #8. Especially if they want to grab Toppin or Vassel if they fall. Same with the Jazz potentially trading Conley to Randle and swapping #23 for #27.

So the Knicks could add two rookies, and two good players. Plus they would still have 20 Million in cap space to go after someone like Bertans and say a random role player. I would trade down to 10 and grab Kira and with #23 take Bolmaro. The Knicks wouldn’t be the best 3 pt shooting team, but with Thibs as a coach we already knew that. What they are is a really good downhill/transition team that can play defense and has good if not great size at every position. They aren’t a playoff team but they could develop an identity.

Conley
RJ
Oubre
Bertans
Mitch

Bench
Kira
Frank
Knox
Bolmaro
Taj
DSJ
Braz

Both Conley and Oubre should be looked as potential long term pieces as well. Conley for a 2-3 year deal to ride out the last few years of his prime, and Oubre as a potential starting SF. Oubre isn’t great, but he doesn’t suck. He is a bit injury prone but next years draft is so wing heavy, if the Knicks get lucky he might be replaceable. Bertans is exactly the type of 3pt threat the Knicks need to compensate for the fact they aren’t a team trying to shoot 3’s. He’s the guy who stretches the floor. These are some quality vets joining the starting lineup, and youth making up the bench.

Kira is raw but with a few years behind Conley (one of the most underrated PG in the league before he got overpaid) there aren’t many better mentors. Also his range isn’t top #8 but top #10 isn’t as insane to take a risk.

Bolmaro at #23 is exactly around his mock range too. Knicks have really good Spanish league scouts. The guy who found KP is there. It’s one of if not the strongest Euro leagues too, he’s raw but is a baller, he just can’t shoot reliably.

If the Knicks luck up into one of the top 5 SF’s next year (and rumors already are they might throw all their assets to move up to try and get them) this is the type of team you bring that kid too, or you let Oubre and Conley expire and the Knicks have also 40 mil in cap space before they have to pay rookies Mitch and RJ.

 

[ISO]

I think RJ is fine at the 2

That 6'7 220 lb. tank is not a SG