Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[storyteller]

Can you get away with Obi in that combo?

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Can you get away with Obi in that combo?

why are yall obsessed with that fakkit vanfleet?

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

why are yall obsessed with that fakkit vanfleet?

vanfleet seems like a very good player in a great system
watch the knicks overpay and he plays like shyt here

 

[KnickstapeCity]

vanfleet seems like a very good player in a great system
watch the knicks overpay and he plays like shyt here

I dont want that fakkit anywhere near my team

 

[23Barrettcity]

vanfleet seems like a very good player in a great system
watch the knicks overpay and he plays like shyt here

In the modem nba a 3 and D player like FVV is a high priced player . If him sign him though you sign him to do that not to be THE man on the team

 

[23Barrettcity]

I dont want that fakkit anywhere near my team

You are crazy

 

[storyteller]

vanfleet seems like a very good player in a great system
watch the knicks overpay and he plays like shyt here

Could try to pry Ingram away and then draft Vassell
CP3
Vassell
RJ
Ingram
Mitch

Slim to no chance of happening but that'd be a team I'm excited to watch.

 

[JMurder]

vanfleet seems like a very good player in a great system
watch the knicks overpay and he plays like shyt here

What does "play like shyt" entail? He's a good shooter, scorer, and defender. That's not going to change no matter what team he's on. He's never shot below 38% from 3 in his career. That's not changing. Here's where he will get exposed on the Knicks unless they bolster the roster

VanVleet isn’t the greatest playmaker, and he’s been a weak finisher in his career (although he has improved in the bubble) so I think him continuing to take strides and becoming a better and more bold pull-up shooter is key for his development. It’d like to see him increase the volume on these types of shots, he’s good enough as a shooter but needs to be a quicker decision maker. His patience does benefit him sometimes but he can’t always rely on it. NBA basketball is fast-paced, holes in the defense are created and covered in an instant. So he’s going to have to be more decisive in whether he wants to shoot or look for the pass, especially in the pick and roll. His pull up shooting could really help the team in the playoff run though, we’ve seen how lethal he could be in Game 7 of the NBA Finals. When he gets going, it’s not many people that could stop him.

 

[JMurder]

Giant slayer: How Raptors' Fred VanVleet reaches great heights on defense

Physically, Fred VanVleet is nobody's idea of a lockdown defender. He is 6 feet tall, and his 6-2 wingspan is one of the shortest in the NBA. In street clothes, you could mistake him for an average 26-year-old guy. In his Toronto Raptors uniform, he is a pint-sized anomaly. Today's teams stack their rosters with as many rangy, 6-7-and-taller players as possible, so they can clog passing lanes with limbs.

Before the pandemic that prompted a hiatus, VanVleet led the league in deflections. Only two players averaged more steals. He played 36 minutes a game for the No. 2 defense in the league, starting for the team that will defend its title when the 2019-20 season resumes on July 30. That he has managed all this is extraordinary, considering he has never seemed like an imposing presence.

When Bryan Ott, VanVleet's coach at Auburn High School in Rockford, Illinois, talked to college and NBA personnel, he made a point to bring up his defense -- no one ever asked. "He doesn't look the part," former Wichita State assistant coach Chris Jans said, and when he arrived on campus the staff didn't see him as a stopper.

"The thing that is most easily discernible when you watch Fred on the basketball court is he's not the biggest and he's not the most athletic and he's not the fastest or the quickest or [able to] jump the highest," Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall said. Pay attention long enough, though, and you'll see his intelligence, instincts and intestinal fortitude. "As a coach, wherever you want him to be, he's going to be there."

This doesn't sound good next to Frank RJ and Mitch?

 

[RickyGQ]

I like him as a prospect, just not sure at what point I'd risk a pick on him over other options that I feel are less boom or bust.

If Maxey, Cole and Poku are gone, I’d love to trade for that Wolves pick and draft him.

 

[RickyGQ]

Can you get away with Obi in that combo?

If not him than Patrick Williams...

 

[Kitsch]

Disgusting.

 

[Wargames]

fukking idiots

 

[Phantum]

Seems like you would chase FVV if you're a contender. Can someone explain a positive for the Knicks doing this?

 

[storyteller]

Seems like you would chase FVV if you're a contender. Can someone explain a positive for the Knicks doing this?

Caveat: I'm more playing devil's advocate here than actually advocating for the move. I'm on the fence about it because I think it may or may not work out depending on what additional moves are made but...

In a vacuum, I don't think 22 million per is an overpay for FVV's 18,7 and 4 if you believe he can maintain that production outside of the Raptors. He also addresses multiple needs. The Knicks need more playmaking and spacing; this guy is a career 39% three point shooter who took 7 attempts per game last year. He's also only 25 years old, so the Knicks would be bringing in a veteran with championship experience for his full prime if they got him. He's also one of those flexibility adds. He can be the lead or off guard (we know the lead guard thing from when Lowry got hurt last season). I prefer him as the secondary but his lead guard numbers speak for themselves.

This type of move also takes some pressure off of the front office to draft a PG. If BPA at 8 and 27 are different positions, the Knicks can make the BPA pick rather than forcing themselves to fill a need. Top that off with the fact that adding FVV to address the PG need doesn't cost the assets that a CP3 trade or any other trade would require and this could fill a need while keeping all of the picks in place to either use or try to flip in a separate deal (a CP3 + FVV scenario was tweeted out yesterday that technically works).

The downside though...the Boston series wasn't pretty, he may be a system guy and he's undersized although he doesn't really back down on defense. The Knicks need talent, but they run the risk of being stuck with another overpaid player that looked good in a proper situation and then flops with them.

That said, I'd assume the synergy between FO and Coach is partially why this rumor has such voracity. I've been half joking about bringing in Augustin because Thibs loves a short, quick, savvy PG running his show and has had success with that type (Augustin being the best example of overachieving). FVV is a better version of that imo, so I could see Thibs being the driving force because he's built offenses for this style of guard to run before. If we're looking at past examples, he'll want a high IQ big man that can do some handling and passing too. I think the Horford rumors fit that bill.