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fukk him, his views, his spot in history and his stats...the averaging a triple double stuff never impressed me considering he wasn't a prolific winner...averaging that many points and assists isn't conducive to winning basketball, just means you have the ball in your hands a shyt ton...proto bron-ball, they'll end up with close to the same number of chips
 
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I didn't offer any argument to explain why their offense isn't complicated. I simply made an observation that the videos that you posted didn't display any complex offense.
Yet you just said their offense wasn't complicated a few posts ago -
So who are the teams that don't base their offense off of the pick n roll set? You talk about how complex offenses are when they're all based on one of the oldest plays in th history of the game. What's so complex about how GS plays offense or defense? Nothing is complex about it.
It was basic motion and good ball movement.
It's more than just basic motion and good ball movement. It's some of the best the league has ever had.
Anybody who had played organized ball has ran motion sets like those. You still haven't explained how their offense is complex.
Don't try marginalizing this down to basic structures as if high school teams are doing this shyt to the same degree. I've just explained to you why their offense is complex -
There's plays/sets they run in or out of and variances of (their offense is basically a twist of the Spurs motion offense with triangle offense principles): motion weak, motion strong, double drags, double exits, weaves, split actions, split cuts, off screen/decoy-ISO swing back in the lane, decoy elevator door screens baseline cuts that are complex. And that's only mentioning a few. The Warriors don't have a standard offense, even if you took out the fact that it's the most high-powered offense of all time.
They aren't just running around without cause or set movements, or not trying to distract defenders with different actions. I mean in terms of NBA offenses throughout history - it is one of the most advanced systems that we've had in the league. Most of the systems in today's league are more advanced than in previous eras. With all the data, information, research, scouting, history-lines, trends, specific area coaching personnel, changes and time that teams have now, it only stands to reason that offenses and defenses are more advanced. I mean why does this even need explaining? This is rudimentary shyt.
 
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I read that part, but again that also conflicts with what you said. Saying they don't run plays/it's all playground basketball - then saying that teams of today run some form of Sloan/Pringles/Spurs style offenses doesn't make any sense - even quoting "Ditto for Jerry Sloan, who bucked the iso-heavy trends of the 80’s and 90’s with his emphasis on pick-and-roll play" - as if that isn't anti-theoretical to your "team's don't run play/it's all playground basketball" statement.


Playground bball is the wrong term to use.

Its more of a pnr ball movement and react type of offense...which mostly all these teams use. This type of offense don't have necessary set plays...it's based of pnr and defense reactions.
 

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Coaches today pretty much are the same..

And to be honest (and this may get me killed) it's all playground basketball..nobody run set plays any more. That's why there are no adjustments made anymore. How can you adjustment is you while style is based on free flowing, make up as you go bball..There is no difference in offenses anymore. All the team's run some form of this Sloan/Pringles/Spurs style offense...
The difference is in today's games players know he other teams plays due to way more data and deeper coaching staffs who scout other Teams precisely to take note of what other teams like to run. Doc Rivers did it to the Heat during the all star game practice having his Celtics guys run Miami sets. Other coaches talk about Lebron calling out plays and telling players where they need to be for the play called. So it's smarter to have read and react offenses since it's harder for defenses to game plan against those.
 

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Yet you just said their offense wasn't complicated a few posts ago -


It's more than just basic motion and good ball movement. It's some of the best the league has ever had.

Don't try marginalizing this down to basic structures as if high school teams are doing this shyt to the same degree. I've just explained to you why their offense is complex -

They aren't just running around without cause or set movements, or not trying to distract defenders with different actions. I mean in terms of NBA offenses throughout history - it is one of the most advanced systems that we've had in the league. Most of the systems in today's league are more advanced than in previous eras. With all the data, information, research, scouting, history-lines, trends, specific area coaching personnel, changes and time that teams have now, it only stands to reason that offenses and defenses are more advanced. I mean why does this even need explaining? This is rudimentary shyt.
You just talk a lot, you don't really say shyt. You still haven't explained how GS's offense is complex. Just noting that they run their offense at a high level doesn't mean tha it's complex. I never said that they're running around moving with no structure. I said that the motion offense is the motion offense. It's not complex. Of course a HS team can't run a motion offense to the level that GS does but that doesn't mean that GS's motion offense is more complex. When are you going to explain what makes GS's offense complex?
 
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Playground bball is the wrong term to use.

Its more of a pnr ball movement and react type of offense...which mostly all these teams use. This type of offense don't have necessary set plays...it's based of pnr and defense reactions.
They're all one and the same thing - like dude said above - if teams just ran set plays and no improvisation or option/deviation from the play, it would be easy for the defense to defend. Don't make the mistake in thinking that teams aren't running set plays just because it doesn't fit in with how a traditional set is run. Again, it ties it all back to how advanced defenses are now today - you can't run just be reliant upon running set plays, it'd be easy for defenses to gameplan for.
 

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This nikka Oscar always hatin' on the ppl that came after him. Has to be a money thang.

nikkaz wasnt gettin it like nikkaz is today.

Probably tell his wife "let me hold a 20. The Strudlebaker is on E. I'll give it back Friday. I get a royalty check from NBA2K. I'll tighten u up"
 
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You just talk a lot, you don't really say shyt. You still haven't explained how GS's offense is complex. Just noting that they run their offense at a high level doesn't mean tha it's complex.
Running all those different actions and options while keeping fluid ball movement and finding open players is complex. If you don't think there's anything complex about their offense or most offenses in today's league, than the complexity of offenses in previous eras are some ABC 123 shyt.
I never said that they're running around moving with no structure. I said that the motion offense is the motion offense. It's not complex. Of course a HS team can't run a motion offense to the level that GS does but that doesn't mean that GS's motion offense is more complex. When are you going to explain what makes GS's offense complex?
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How does it not? If GS are continually trying to stay one step ahead of NBA defenses; by using data and information and spending time (that other teams are doing for their defense) that isn't available to HS teams to counter these defenses - adding more wrinkles, actions and options, how doesn't it make them more complex? I mean it's a continual lineal line of adapting and countering trends, where teams must add to their offense/defense in order to gain the upper hand. I've just detailed to you some of the actions/plays they use throughout the game -

they run in or out of and variances of (their offense is basically a twist of the Spurs motion offense with triangle offense principles): motion weak, motion strong, double drags, double exits, weaves, split actions, split cuts, off screen/decoy-ISO swing back in the lane, decoy elevator door screens baseline cuts that are complex. And that's only mentioning a few.

which are not just used through one ball handler but multiple ones (in previous eras you didn't have your PF running the offense - so that changes in part what other players' roles and movements are), where they often fuse actions together and/or use decoy looks of those plays to get players open while running another. I mean what more do you want me to say about how "complex" their offense is, other than specifically telling you what they run, how they run it and why they run it in the most advanced INF era? Basketball isn't some Landau problem that can't be solved. It's basketball - offenses and defenses for the most part are all intrinsically the same - put the ball in the basket and stop the ball from going in the basket.
 
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This nikka Oscar always hatin' on the ppl that came after him. Has to be a money thang.

nikkaz wasnt gettin it like nikkaz is today.

Probably tell his wife "let me hold a 20. The Strudlebaker is on E. I'll give it back Friday. I get a royalty check from NBA2K. I'll tighten u up"
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the ogs just wanna take it back to the park

like i said they feel like you shouldn't need a mile thick playbook to get it done

nikkas like "back in my day when i wanted bbq i had to go hunt and kill something with my own hands now these kids just go get some takeout these young bucks are soft"

their egos are being tested because players are being rewarded more than ever and have way more help

the only offensive system they care about is the give me the ball and watch me drop 50 offense

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