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Can anybody provide any reasonable argument as to why they think NBA "sucks" now? And not use the same ole tired and vapid talking points of it not being as aesthetically pleasing in a traditional sense - when bigs played like bigs and PGs played like PGs nonsense.
 

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How stupid are you for thinking that the basis of an offense means there isn't any wrinkles/folds or set plays based off namesake offensive systems or variations of them?
I didn't say that fakkit. I asked you specific questions. I'll ask them again.

What teams don't base their offense off of the pick n roll?

What makes the Warriors offense and defense complex like you claimed?
 
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I didn't say that fakkit. I asked you specific questions. I'll ask them again.

What teams don't base their offense off of the pick n roll?

What makes the Warriors offense and defense complex like you claimed?
It depends on what you deem as a base - I mean technically teams like the Jazz, Knicks, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors and Hawks (even Grizzlies when Gasol was healthy) all generate offense more through ball movement and high/low post action as opposed to your standard PnR. What doesn't make the Warriors offense complex would be more to the point. I mean I can see your end game here (you'll just bring up some invalid counter argument to explain how their actions on offense aren't really that complex/advanced), and I'm not really willing to play.

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Mike Budenholzer And His Beautiful, Ever-Varying Schemes


" Ditto for Jerry Sloan, who bucked the iso-heavy trends of the 80’s and 90’s with his emphasis on pick-and-roll play, another concept that is now a vital piece of every offense in the league."

"Needless to say, league-wide attempts to replicate what brought the Spurs within a Ray Allen miracle of back-to-back titles have been difficult, as reproducing the specifics of their last decade or so is tougher than meets the eye."


This article is saying the same thing I just did. Team's are running the same Sloan/Pringles/ spurs type offense. Some have different wrinkles...better execution...better players but at the core of it's fundamental principles they all the same.
 

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It depends on what you deem as a base - I mean technically teams like the Jazz, Knicks, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors and Hawks (even Grizzlies when Gasol was healthy) all generate offense more through ball movement and high/low post action as opposed to your standard PnR. What doesn't make the Warriors offense complex would be more to the point. I mean I can see your end game here (you'll just bring up some invalid counter argument to explain how their actions on offense aren't really that complex/advanced), and I'm not really willing to play.

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Who said anything about a "standard" pick n roll? :heh: at the Warriors not being a pick n roll team.

We don't have to "play" I didn't quote you.
 
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Who said anything about a "standard" pick n roll? :heh: at the Warriors not being a pick n roll team.

We don't have to "play" I didn't quote you.



There's plays/sets they run in or out of and variances of (their offense is basically a twist of the Spurs motion offense with triangle offense principles): motion weak, motion strong, double drags, double exits, weaves, split actions, split cuts, off screen/decoy-ISO swing back in the lane, decoy elevator door screens baseline cuts that are complex. And that's only mentioning a few. The Warriors don't have a standard offense, even if you took out the fact that it's the most high-powered offense of all time.
 
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Mike Budenholzer And His Beautiful, Ever-Varying Schemes


" Ditto for Jerry Sloan, who bucked the iso-heavy trends of the 80’s and 90’s with his emphasis on pick-and-roll play, another concept that is now a vital piece of every offense in the league."

"Needless to say, league-wide attempts to replicate what brought the Spurs within a Ray Allen miracle of back-to-back titles have been difficult, as reproducing the specifics of their last decade or so is tougher than meets the eye."


This article is saying the same thing I just did. Team's are running the same Sloan/Pringles/ spurs type offense. Some have different wrinkles...better execution...better players but at the core of it's fundamental principles they all the same.
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Are you just going to blatantly lie?
Coaches today pretty much are the same..

And to be honest (and this may get me killed) it's all playground basketball..nobody run set plays any more. That's why there are no adjustments made anymore. How can you adjustment is you while style is based on free flowing, make up as you go bball..There is no difference in offenses anymore. All the team's run some form of this Sloan/Pringles/Spurs style offense...
How can say they don't run plays anymore and that it's all playground basketball, then in the next breath quote an article which said it bucked the trend of iso-heavy offenses (you know teams not running plays but going ISO as if it were a playground setting) with Sloan-type ball/player movement offenses and say it's the same thing you just said - when what you just said is the complete opposite to what the article said.
 
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There's plays/sets they run in or out of and variances of (their offense is basically a twist of the Spurs motion offense with triangle offense principles): motion weak, motion strong, double drags, double exits, weaves, split actions, split cuts, off screen/decoy-ISO swing back in the lane, decoy elevator door screens baseline cuts that are complex. And that's only mentioning a few. The Warriors don't have a standard offense, even if you took out the fact that it's the most high-powered offense of all time.

You act like I couldn't compose a video that even longer of them running just pick n rolls. I never said that they run it every time down court. That's great ball movement and motion but it's hardly "complex".
 

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Curry couldn't last a half season in the eighties. The rules was totally different. Curry great but he built for this era


:patrice: do you nikkas know just how dumb y'all sound when y'all say shyt like this with no back up as to what would be different. shyt is fukkin retarded. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW HANDCHECKING AND HARD FOULS WOULD STOP SOMEONE BETTER THAN A ZONE DEFENSE.

nikkas really think the ability to track a nikka with your hand would have more of an effect than the benefits teams get from zone defense :mindblown:
 
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You act like I couldn't compose a video that even longer of them running just pick n rolls. I never said that they run it every time down court. That's great ball movement and motion but it's hardly "complex".
*note - the point of posting those videos wasn't in argument for them being or not being a PnR team.

Not even a hour ago -
It depends on what you deem as a base - I mean technically teams like the Jazz, Knicks, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors and Hawks (even Grizzlies when Gasol was healthy) all generate offense more through ball movement and high/low post action as opposed to your standard PnR. What doesn't make the Warriors offense complex would be more to the point. I mean I can see your end game here (you'll just bring up some invalid counter argument to explain how their actions on offense aren't really that complex/advanced), and I'm not really willing to play.

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I called it.

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:dwillhuh:

Are you just going to blatantly lie?

How can say they don't run plays anymore and that it's all playground basketball, then in the next breath quote an article which said it bucked the trend of iso-heavy offenses (you know teams not running plays but going ISO as if it were a playground setting) with Sloan-type ball/player movement offenses and say it's the same thing you just said - when what you just said is the complete opposite to what the article said.

Coaches today pretty much are the same..

And to be honest (and this may get me killed) it's all playground basketball..nobody run set plays any more. That's why there are no adjustments made anymore. How can you adjustment is you while style is based on free flowing, make up as you go bball..There is no difference in offenses anymore. All the team's run some form of this Sloan/Pringles/Spurs style offense...

Did you not read my whole post? :martin:
 

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*note - the point of posting those videos wasn't in argument for them being or not being a PnR team.

Not even a hour ago -

I called it.

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I didn't offer any argument to explain why their offense isn't complicated. I simply made an observation that the videos that you posted didn't display any complex offense. It was basic motion and good ball movement. Anybody who had played organized ball has ran motion sets like those. You still haven't explained how their offense is complex.
 
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Did you not read my whole post? :martin:
I read that part, but again that also conflicts with what you said. Saying they don't run plays/it's all playground basketball - then saying that teams of today run some form of Sloan/Pringles/Spurs style offenses doesn't make any sense - even quoting "Ditto for Jerry Sloan, who bucked the iso-heavy trends of the 80’s and 90’s with his emphasis on pick-and-roll play" - as if that isn't anti-theoretical to your "team's don't run play/it's all playground basketball" statement.
 
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