Other than "it is wrong", which, is valid...why should I be concerned about international students attending American universities?

[Bleed The Freak]

What this idiot doesn't realize is by having folks come here it actually weakens other countries intellectually and economically.

Having global brain drain/talent (wherever they come from) is a terrible idea.

Should the NBA only have American players?

All this does is take $$ and talent elsewhere

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

I really don't do the "doesn't effect me directly, don't care" low awareness shyt...it allows tyrants to do tyrannical stuff step by step.

But, why should I care about students from Korea and India and Germany attending us universities, from Harvard, to Purdue, to Central Florida?

I understand that this is essentially an EXPORT for the United States and adds to our GDP. That is a real thing. And, it does add to the isolationism which is detrimental to the US in many ways.

I also don't think those enrollments will magically go to black Americans, though they might.

But, fighting so other countries rich children can come to the US, and either get a job in an American company with no ties to this country, or go back and enrich their home countries, or go into politics without knowing or caring about American history or plight....

Is this a battle I should care about? This is different to me from core immigration issues. Please be adult with replies, I'm not here for memes.

IMO, People like Al Waleed being educated in America is a win. Especially when he goes home and gets his money up to invest into a bunch of major American companies. You need this. To what extent? I don’t know

 

[get these nets]

I really don't do the "doesn't effect me directly, don't care" low awareness shyt...it allows tyrants to do tyrannical stuff step by step.

But, why should I care about students from Korea and India and Germany attending us universities, from Harvard, to Purdue, to Central Florida?

I understand that this is essentially an EXPORT for the United States and adds to our GDP. That is a real thing. And, it does add to the isolationism which is detrimental to the US in many ways.

I also don't think those enrollments will magically go to black Americans, though they might.

But, fighting so other countries rich children can come to the US, and either get a job in an American company with no ties to this country, or go back and enrich their home countries, or go into politics without knowing or caring about American history or plight....

Is this a battle I should care about? This is different to me from core immigration issues. Please be adult with replies, I'm not here for memes.

International students make up % of most if not all universities across the country, pwis and HBCUs.

They pay the international student tuition and fees, which is more than in-state or out of state American students pay. They contribute to the bottom line of the school, and depending on what their numbers are...may be keeping the school solvent financially.
We brought this up in threads about different HBCUs expanding their international reach.

Trump knows all this, and in addition to threatening to cutting Fed. funding , blocking or limiting int. students is another way for him to weaken American universities. As they will have less money coming in, and more likely to bend to his will about other issues, like diversity measures.

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

You somewhat already answered the main contributing factor. It is an export and you are most likely aware of the difference in int'l student tuition fees VS domestic. So with that income the "trickle down effect" of allocating funding.

Then there is the more nebulous side of things such as different viewpoints, cultural ideas that create different ways of thinking, best minds from around the world concentrated in the same place, etc

But it isn' t a direct issue affecting you so its resonance will be lighter.








The other highly important reason though is..... ..............















It would perhaps help yo blacknass develop some fashion sense and appreciate the glory of the 90's footy shirt.

/endthread

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

What this idiot doesn't realize is by having folks come here it actually weakens other countries intellectually and economically.

Having global brain drain/talent (wherever they come from) is a terrible idea.

Should the NBA only have American players?

All this does is take $$ and talent elsewhere

Don't know what idiot you're referring to but their intellect doesn't exactly stay with in American borders lol. If they're educated in the US and go elsewhere, be it Hong Kong or London....it doesn't weaken those countries...

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

International students make up % of most if not all universities across the country, pwis and HBCUs.

They pay the international student tuition and fees, which is more than in-state or out of state American students pay. They contribute to the bottom line of the school, and depending on what their numbers are...may be keeping the school solvent financially.
We brought this up in threads about different HBCUs expanding their international reach.

Trump knows all this, and in addition to threatening to cutting Fed. funding , blocking or limiting int. students is another way for him to weaken American universities. As they will have less money coming in, and more likely to bend to his will about other issues, like diversity measures.

It's simply a leverage thing to him which is why he's pressing Harvard. Other ivy leagues folded...Michigan folded.

You hit the nail on the head here breh.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Don't know what idiot you're referring to but their intellect doesn't exactly stay with in American borders lol. If they're educated in the US and go elsewhere, be it Hong Kong or London....it doesn't weaken those countries...

Idiot: Trump

Not directed at you breh

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Idiot: Trump

Not directed at you breh

Thanks, I was confused like damn, I'm an idiot now lol. I get your point too fwiw

 

[Vandelay]

It's soft power and innovation.

We teach American ideals, which generally tend to be popular and progressive.

Any country that isolates itself from people, trade and technology start to decline and in some cases reverse course technologically and socially. Look no further than Islam. Islamic nations used to be way more progressive and advanced than The West. I'm trying to recall which fundamentalist from the 15th century started to take Islam backwards.

If this country was WASPs and WASPs only, they would've never been the hegemon of the world.

EDIT: I call out Islam specifically because we're on a similar course with Christianity. I'm not religious, but I'm not anti-Christian. I just don't think we should use religion to set federal and state policy.

 

[MajesticLion]

 

[King Poetic]

I’m 50/50 on this

 

[HiphopRelated]

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

@Ed MOTHERfukkING G

I’m actually agreeing with you. The key word in my statement is “SEEM” meaning I know what you mean but you worded it poorly.

What you said vs how it could’ve been worded better:

Other than "it is wrong", which, is valid...why should I be concerned about international students attending American universities?​

Other than "it is wrong", which, is valid...why should I be concerned about international students NOT attending American universities?​

The fact that I have to explain my original statement tempts me to rethink my original position.

Maybe those foreign kids have better comprehension?



Even if they do, fukk them, not my problem. Stay your funky asses in India and Africa and let US students have first, second and last dibs.

 

[SirShaktus]

I really don't do the "doesn't effect me directly, don't care" low awareness shyt...it allows tyrants to do tyrannical stuff step by step.

But, why should I care about students from Korea and India and Germany attending us universities, from Harvard, to Purdue, to Central Florida?

I understand that this is essentially an EXPORT for the United States and adds to our GDP. That is a real thing. And, it does add to the isolationism which is detrimental to the US in many ways.

I also don't think those enrollments will magically go to black Americans, though they might.

But, fighting so other countries rich children can come to the US, and either get a job in an American company with no ties to this country, or go back and enrich their home countries, or go into politics without knowing or caring about American history or plight....

Is this a battle I should care about? This is different to me from core immigration issues. Please be adult with replies, I'm not here for memes.

You kinda gave the American reason for why in the OP: they pay the most.
International students pay big money to attend these institutions; benefits the university monetarily.

Other, more important reasons?
-Soft power. Some of those international students will become big wig politicians, businessmen, engineers, scientists...
It would benefit America for these potential VIPs to have a favorable view with the country and a good way is for them to spend part of their 20s hanging out with the American people, making them realize this country and its citizens are cool/worthy/qualified to work with.
-Some of these students end up liking this country so much, they (and their expertise) end up staying benefiting the country.
-Coming from different parts of the world means diversity of thought; someone from a different country can tell you "Hey, that happened in our country; it went well/it didn't go well." or "Why not try it this way?" Different perspectives gives you more options. It's why donuts from California are the best in the country (Cambodian immigrant tweaked the recipe for the better) and how James Hemings developed baked macaroni and cheese, aka the best kind of macaroni in the world (Black American chef skills + French cooking techniques).


Otherwise...


You have what's going to happen to America in a couple of years, courtesy of The Orange.
He's such a xenophobic dumbass, he sic his Gestapo on international students for either protesting a genocide (which is in their right to do on American soil) or simply "looking foreign."
Harassing international students to the point they (and all that they bring to the table) either leave the country or never show up.
All those doctors that were planning on attending John Hopkins to study cancer growth? Staying in their home countries or become an international student at like, Oxford.... Along with ALL of their research and findings.
The guy (or gal) from Shanghai or Mumbai- hey, that rhymed!- that's gonna take over the green energy startup that becomes a Fortune 500 company in 10-15 years? You think they're gonna do business with a country who's president is notorious for stiffing EVERYONE he's ever worked with AND held him in an ICE deportation clinic because he "fit the description?"
The doctor who is going to eradicate the next global pandemic isn't gonna waste their time studying medicine in the country whose head of Health & Human Services doesn't even believe in Germ Theory and wants to put neurodivergent people into concentrati- Sorry, I misspoke- "detox camps."
Why would the next President/Prime Minister/KING OR fukkING QUEEN OF A SOVERIGN NATION ever, EVER work with America in good faith when they can just bribe them or (if they're halfway decent people trying to run a country) not even bother to bring them to the table because the US hasn't operated in good faith.... ever?



TL,DR;
International Students attending American universities is important for maintaining INTERNATIONAL relationships.
Does it benefit America in a tangible (aka profitable) way? Yes.
But it benefits the country so much more that they are here interacting with the people and culture here.

 

[Ozymandeas]

The only complaint I have is that they contributed to the out of control tuition problem in the country. Colleges know rich foreigners will pay sticker price to get their kids into American colleges so colleges have no incentive to not raise the tuition up to gouge. While American kids get aid, they still end up paying more in student loans than they really should. Now I don’t agree with Trump’s tactics. Colleges should be reigned in by Congress, but not by attacking international students. It’s crazy that a house generally can’t sell for more than it’s appraised at but a college can charge $50,000 a year for a degree that leads to a $35,000 a year job at best. Schools need extreme oversight on their pricing.