OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

[JodyHiighroller]

That's trash to u?

That shyt is garbage

 

[BmoreGorilla]

You know what we mean by 'alternative', right? as in alternative hip hop. Jesus Christ breh




Organized Noize mentioned Dre in passing. That is not the core of the conversation. The core of the conversation is how they wanted to appeal to a larger market while having some sort of credibility with their music and thus structured their music a certain way. Which is why they infused stuff with RnB/pop/soul elements but rightfully stayed away from keyboard sounds so it wouldn't sound p*ssy. Why are you avoiding this very obvious convo? None of your responses have dealt with this head-on. Instead you've deflected every step of the way to mention tangential shyt. Do you not understand what we mean by Outkast being alternative hip hop, and how that has always been popular with casuals? Just say you don't understand instead of pretending otherwise. It's weird: it's like you're expecting ON to tell you my exact post word for word otherwise my posts aren't true. Which is some 3rd grade and below type shyt. One of the basic parts of grade school is comprehension. Being able to say what someone just said in your own words and dig deeper into what they're saying directly, indirectly, or possibly hiding.

Instead you're here quick to deflect to Tribe and Dre. We're talking about Outkast and Outkast only. Stop playing dumb.

No I dont know what alternative hip hop is. What the fukk is that? Im trying to figure out how any of this makes Kast "alternative". Alternative to what?

I could see if you were talking about their weirder later shyt. But when they first came out they were just some regular nikkas. I guess this makes Goodie Mob "alternative" too

 

[Xtz23]

That shyt is garbage

That's one of the goat verses u must be on that fukk east coast bias shyt.

Infamous and hoe are better then all of outkast albums. Murda muzik as well escpecially the bootleg. Juvenile hell is probably the only album that takes the l & that shyt didn't even really count.

 

[Robbie3000]

See. This is the shyt I don’t understand.
What puts Outkast in a different stratosphere? Because Dre made a pop rock song and they went diamond and got a grammy?

No. They been outselling Mobb since the first album.

Kast just had better music. Better production(ONP is much better than Hav), better lyrics, more depth, more versatile, bigger impact etc.

Kast is on a Nas, Jay level of eliteness.

 

[Taadow]

that should be expected, given the circumstances.

we're talking about a midcard group in real-time, that has gotten leap-frogged into all-time discussions.

You mean, like Mobb Deep?

 

[mobbinfms]

That's one of the goat verses u must be on that fukk east coast bias shyt.

Infamous and hoe are better then all of outkast albums. Murda muzik as well escpecially the bootleg. Juvenile hell is probably the only album that takes the l & that shyt didn't even really count.

@KingBenji got banned once for making egg jokes after Prodigy died. Don't pay any attention to him.

 

[Xtz23]

@KingBenji got banned once for making egg jokes after Prodigy died. Don't pay any attention to him.

That's fukked up good lookin out bro.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Kast is on a Nas, Jay level of eliteness.

you see, this is the bullchit I was just talking about.

@Taadow

You mean, like Mobb Deep?

nope

theres instances where I feel that theyre overrated; prodigy in particular, but nothing that's on revisionist or ridiculous levels.

No I dont know what alternative hip hop is. What the fukk is that? Im trying to figure out how any of this makes Kast "alternative". Alternative to what?

I could see if you were talking about their weirder later shyt. But when they first came out they were just some regular nikkas. I guess this makes Goodie Mob "alternative" too

if you don't know, then why were you arguing to the death??​

 

[JustCKing]

You know what we mean by 'alternative', right? as in alternative hip hop. Jesus Christ breh




Organized Noize mentioned Dre in passing. That is not the core of the conversation. The core of the conversation is how they wanted to appeal to a larger market while having some sort of credibility with their music and thus structured their music a certain way. Which is why they infused stuff with RnB/pop/soul elements but rightfully stayed away from keyboard sounds so it wouldn't sound p*ssy. Why are you avoiding this very obvious convo? None of your responses have dealt with this head-on. Instead you've deflected every step of the way to mention tangential shyt. Do you not understand what we mean by Outkast being alternative hip hop, and how that has always been popular with casuals? Just say you don't understand instead of pretending otherwise. It's weird: it's like you're expecting ON to tell you my exact post word for word otherwise my posts aren't true. Which is some 3rd grade and below type shyt. One of the basic parts of grade school is comprehension. Being able to say what someone just said in your own words and dig deeper into what they're saying directly, indirectly, or possibly hiding.

Instead you're here quick to deflect to Tribe and Dre. We're talking about Outkast and Outkast only. Stop playing dumb.

You can't be alternative and "mainstream" at the same time. That's not how it works. You get an alternative label when your music is considered different from what's popular. Kast actually being as successful as they are is a rarity because nearly every alternative artist in Hip Hop had a short shelf life. They had 1-3 albums thay were big and it was a wrap. Most of them just had the one album. Before Kast, ATCQ was about the only alternative rap artists that had any kind of longevity.

Even still, Kast wasn't 100% alternative because they still had content that was hood/street. They still had lyrics with first person narratives of selling drugs, violence, misogyny and topics that are usually eschewed by alternative artists. When Kast first dropped, it was kind of Souls of Mischief rapping over Chronic and Doggystyle production with a hood/street image.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

you see, this is the bullchit I was just talking about.

@Taadow





nope

theres instances where I feel that theyre overrated; prodigy in particular, but nothing that's on revisionist or ridiculous levels.

if you don't know, then why were you arguing to the death??​

I have an understanding of what publications called "alternative" but Im trying to figure out how Outkast gets that label from yall

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You can't be alternative and "mainstream" at the same time. That's not how it works. You get an alternative label when your music is considered different from what's popular. Kast actually being as successful as they are is a rarity because nearly every alternative artist in Hip Hop had a short shelf life. They had 1-3 albums thay were big and it was a wrap. Most of them just had the one album. Before Kast, ATCQ was about the only alternative rap artists that had any kind of longevity.

Even still, Kast wasn't 100% alternative because they still had content that was hood/street. They still had lyrics with first person narratives of selling drugs, violence, misogyny and topics that are usually eschewed by alternative artists. When Kast first dropped, it was kind of Souls of Mischief rapping over Chronic and Doggystyle production with a hood/street image.

most successful rappers PERIOD usually had a 3-album window.

de la soul was successful before and long after tribe.

 

[Chris Cool]

Have multiple hits, all albums platinum, but have nobody check for you brehs.

Be called the goat 18 years ago but have nobody checking for you in real time brehs.


Only on the coli.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Have multiple his, all albums platinum, but have nobody check for you brehs.

Be called the goat 18 years ago but have nobody checking for you in real time brehs.

Only on the coli.

more industry chit.
so the goofy ass XXL magazine is your barometer??

funny how you dipped out of this thread when I pulled your card, and you try to poke your little nose back in with this nonsense.

 

[SoulController]

Wacky saw an Outkast thread like

COINTELPRO BOUGHT THOSE KAST RECORDS

 

[SoulController]

ORGANIZED NOISE WERE INDUSTRY PLANTS SENT TO GIVE KAST GOOD BEATS. IT WAS ALL PLANNED OUT B

LAFACE PUT TRILLIONS INTO THE KAST MACHINE, WAKE UP YOU fukkS