Big Boi is super underrated too.
OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers
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Can’t agree on the first point, while it’s true they are both great, from the second album on, Andre was the front runner. Just like the Mobb and Prodigy actually
Can’t agree on the second point because Havoc produced for them and others as well.
So many commonalities between the two groups actually
That’s a very recent phenomenon.
Nah. From the second album on Dre was the front runner. Getting hip hop wuotables and all that b
Is that an Atlanta Braves shirt the girl on the left is wearing?Fam I was at Paseo on 47th and Flora back then. I can put you in contact with....shyt, how many black women you want to talk to, that knew me in the 90's?
You can't pull my card breh. I grew up on 30th and Charlotte in Kansas City, Missouri. The schools I went to were literally 90-99% black. I'm literally the only white person in my peer group.
As far as middle school....I went to Central on Linwood. Again, 99% black. Again, I can put you in contact with people right now, that can verify all this. If your middle school experience wasn't like mine then I'm guessing you were in the 'burbs? I don't know where you were going with that.
So....yeah. I know who was listening to Outkast in the 90's...and it wasn't who you say....because again, you aren't old enough to gauge that. Like I said before you're a good poster but you OD with this 'kast shyt.
Fred.
And is this post Outkast?
That unintentional receipt game
I remember the Braves hats all over the place after Kast dropped in the Bay
No I dont know what alternative hip hop is. What the fukk is that? Im trying to figure out how any of this makes Kast "alternative". Alternative to what?
https://www.allmusic.com/subgenre/alternative-rap-ma0000012203
again, if you didn't understand the term "alternative hip hop", you could've just said so.
Lemme highlight the part to make it easier for you:
Before you start talking about "well, DJ Premier sampled jazz, isn't he alternative?" No. The jazz aspect is a small part of the song all things considered. It's not 'equal'. His stuff is still structured in 100% hip hop fashion.
Regular Atlanta dudes making RnB/funk mixed with hip hop stuff, sure.
I guess this makes Goodie Mob "alternative" too
Can't help but mention other rappers in an Outkast only discussion
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
Fam I was at Paseo on 47th and Flora back then. I can put you in contact with....shyt, how many black women you want to talk to, that knew me in the 90's?
You can't pull my card breh. I grew up on 30th and Charlotte in Kansas City, Missouri. The schools I went to were literally 90-99% black. I'm literally the only white person in my peer group.
As far as middle school....I went to Central on Linwood. Again, 99% black. Again, I can put you in contact with people right now, that can verify all this. If your middle school experience wasn't like mine then I'm guessing you were in the 'burbs? I don't know where you were going with that.
So....yeah. I know who was listening to Outkast in the 90's...and it wasn't who you say....because again, you aren't old enough to gauge that. Like I said before you're a good poster but you OD with this 'kast shyt.
Fred.
I guess you posted this picture to get cheap daps & cosigns from white buls and net nerds. cuz I'm not impressed. you always told me that you were a token, and i always believed you. it doesn't get you anywhere tho, so whats your point? AGAIN, this is where that communication gap always comes into play with you.
its like youre posting these pictures because you want to be seen in the same light as a big mel. but you don't have the acumen that big mel had. nor did we ever have to break the obvious down for him like we have to do for you(i.e. that bad boy argument from a few weeks ago). in fact, big mel would be one of the people doing the actual breakdown. and again, this thread is further proof. you drove way off the road because you cant comprehend what youre arguing about.
1.) I specifically asked you how many black WOMEN you knew back then. not black girls. I'm talking about the consumers of the groups you keep trying to separate outkast from. and youre still tip-toeing around that question on the slick.
2.) I never said outkast didn't have a black fanbase or hip-hop fanbase. especially in this backwoods type of town that youre proudly reppin. I know they had a base in places like that. I used to stay in the Carolinas. chit, they even had a lil base up here when they debuted. bet you didn't know that. but THATS NOT THE POINT. the point was that they were padding their sales from markets outside of hip-hop from DAY ONE. what is so hard for you to understand? if you could get out of your feelings, and actually read whats being said, nobody said that they didn't have black or hip-hop fans. we're saying that they were always crossover from day one. yea they went further with the crossover into the pop realm with rosa parks & then the albums afterwards, but from day one, they were always r&b crossover. from their whole entrance into the game to the machine & figureheads that backed them to their sound & style. they were a group that could've had a song on the "waiting to exhale" soundtrack and nobody wouldve batted an eye. and the whole point of this was to illustrate that them going plat or double, didn't have the same value or impact as someone like say a dogg pound or westside connect doing the same numbers. and mind you, im not even the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th person that brought this up. this argument was going on before i even saw this thread. so don't try to deflect and act like this discussion is going on because "wacky is on his outkast hate chit". i wasnt even In here. and the fact that I even have to type an essay explaining this(on page 15 no less), just further proves my point at the beginning of my post, as well as the next part below:
3.) I saved this for last because I wanted to stay on topic, but am I supposed to be impressed by these okie-doke lookin' muf*kkas in your picture? and you keep stressing age and schools. DOG, you don't know my pedigree. this may look corny in text, but just for the record, I was raised around the real LIVE types, ranging from people younger than me, all the way up to their 40s, and I'm talking in real-time when you were taking your little picture that you went out of your way to upload. yall come with these little internet arguments about how old you are and what schools you went to, but yall aint nobody's oldhead. lemme tell you how this goes ON SOME REAL CHIT. @BmoreGorilla is like 2-3 years older than me, and youre prolly a couple years older than him, but if I was cordial with yall in real life, even back in 94-95, yall would be MY young buls. not the other way around. and if you still don't get the point, then that's on you. so for the last time, stop trying to "pull my card" on the slick. you tried this before but you could never pull my card. ur not cut like that AT ALL. so stay in your lane. I don't disregard you like the other black posters that str8 diss you on here. but just know, I could go in way harder than they do. NO HOMO.
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Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I didn't discredit everything that everybody posted.
I discredited most(not everything) of what YOU posted. don't try to rally the troops because you cant hold your own.
and I discredited most of what YOU posted as industry bs, because most of your chit was industry. what a magazine said, or how many spins laface/arista paid for.
you were ray benzino on sohh.
and I think the quote I referenced from you wasn't even on SOHH.
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He posted an Allmusic link :tochilol:Alternative Rap Music Genre Overview | AllMusic
again, if you didn't understand the term "alternative hip hop", you could've just said so.
Lemme highlight the part to make it easier for you:
Before you start talking about "well, DJ Premier sampled jazz, isn't he alternative?" No. The jazz aspect is a small part of the song all things considered. It's not 'equal'. His stuff is still structured in 100% hip hop fashion.
Regular Atlanta dudes making RnB/funk mixed with hip hop stuff, sure.
Can't help but mention other rappers in an Outkast only discussion
And he still hasn’t figured out that ONP was talking about interpolating as opposed to sampling in that clip, not making actual R&B, funk and pop music :tochilol:
And I don’t think he realizes the Goodie Mob connection to Outkast :tochilol:
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I think people have me confused because they tend to get too emotionally invested in this and begin to think with their hearts instead of their minds.
I never dismissed outkast altogether. I just dismiss the idea of them being forced into hindsight goat discussions
just like with this thread. people arguing with me about stuff I never even said. I never said that they didn't have black fans or never had a hip-hop base. I'm saying that they were always crossover from day one. it didn't start with stankonia.
a lot of people on here(white AND black, spanish, asian, whatever) are just too much into rap and aren't really in tune with black music & culture as a whole like that, so alot of things get lost in translation. a lot of yall don't realize that you can be crossover without going into the pop realm with white people. lol. all black people aren't into hip-hop. outkast has been crossover since '93-94. long before they hit the TRL circuit. just a different type of crossover. when more of yall get a better understanding on that, the quality of these discussions will go up without people flying off the handle, looking lame.
I never dismissed outkast altogether. I just dismiss the idea of them being forced into hindsight goat discussions
just like with this thread. people arguing with me about stuff I never even said. I never said that they didn't have black fans or never had a hip-hop base. I'm saying that they were always crossover from day one. it didn't start with stankonia.
a lot of people on here(white AND black, spanish, asian, whatever) are just too much into rap and aren't really in tune with black music & culture as a whole like that, so alot of things get lost in translation. a lot of yall don't realize that you can be crossover without going into the pop realm with white people. lol. all black people aren't into hip-hop. outkast has been crossover since '93-94. long before they hit the TRL circuit. just a different type of crossover. when more of yall get a better understanding on that, the quality of these discussions will go up without people flying off the handle, looking lame.
WAIT A MINUTE
aren't you the one that started this whole anti-sales argument in this thread in the first place?
why are you turning against the main guy who put legs under your argument??
and don't think I don't see you cosigning & sneak-dapping cats all thru this thread. you looking real funny in the light.
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Can’t agree on the first point, while it’s true they are both great, from the second album on, Andre was the front runner. Just like the Mobb and Prodigy actually
Can’t agree on the second point because Havoc produced for them and others as well.
So many commonalities between the two groups actually
What I'm saying is BOTH Andre and Big Boi were sought after for features.
Andre and Big Boi both have production credits on other artists albums.
Nah. Nothing like that. I’m good with you @hex and @BmoreGorilla
I’m trying to stay neutral in that dispute. I had to dap @hex though for posting that pic.
@SirBiatch doesn't know what he's talking about just generally though.