BmoreGorilla
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Wait a minute. You just said they drew from all these other audiences yet now they weren't getting played like that outside of Georgia and backwoods bumpkin towns?
Now you just contradicting yourself
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Now you just contradicting yourself
The fact that he said JD was more hip hop even tho JD has more R&B credits under his belt than hip hop sums up the garbage he has made the last 8 pages of this thread
Even crazier is this:
“When I put out Kriss Kross, people in New York and L.A. were saying Atlanta wasn’t the place for rap music. That’s what fueled OutKast for what they did and that’s what fueled the Dungeon Family to be as dark and as hip-hop as they were, that was all coming from the backlash that Atlanta is not a rap city.”---- Jermaine Dupri carefreenation.com/jermaine-dupri-talks-outkast-and-atlantas-ascent-to-rap-big-leagues/
^^^ Yet he wants to talk about how JD is more traditional Hip Hop than Kast.
BmoreGorilla
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He doesn't even know what he's arguing about at this point. He just doesn't like Kast. Telling people they weren't cognizant when he wasn't even 10 yet at the time
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I could care less what you agree with. I expected you to disagree actually. you don't go outside. you don't know nobody. this is what it comes down to with you in every thread.
I try to spear your feelings and beat around the bush, but I'm about done and you keep trying to bulk up. so I gotta slap you back down before I log out.
I didn't say you made the comparison. I'm saying I know how yall do.
that dungeon fam vs death row thread will be on the way sooner or later, if one of you dweebs didn't already try to do one.
The fact that he said JD was more hip hop even tho JD has more R&B credits under his belt than hip hop sums up the garbage he has made the last 8 pages of this thread
you and ole bul are looking like the coli version of dumb n dumber,
you do realize that JD is a producer right?
I'm clearly referring to his rap albums. you know that right??
but since you want to go there, most of JD's r&b productions go harder than outkast's hardest songs.
BmoreGorilla
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Which is why you shouldn't even have brought JD into the convo in the first placeyou and ole bul are looking like the coli version of dumb n dumber,
you do realize that JD is a producer right?
I'm clearly referring to his rap albums. you know that right??
but since you want to go there, most of JD's r&b productions go harder than outkast's hardest songs.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I was waiting for you to link this quote up.
outkast was darker & backpack.
JD was party rap, at a time when it was being phased out in favor of either gangsta or backpacks.
he still didn't say they were more hip-hop than him. plus he was being nice, cuz if outkast was this great hip-hop sensation, then they wouldn't have got booed, and it woiuldnt have taken Atlanta 10 more years to have a major rap scene.
actually he was the perfect go-home example.
BmoreGorilla
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No he wasn't. Organized Noize said themselves that they realized they were producing the same exact way Dre did which is why they were compared in the first place itt
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
Wait a minute. You just said they drew from all these other audiences yet now they weren't getting played like that outside of Georgia and backwoods bumpkin towns?
Now you just contradicting yourself
are you f*ckin retarded too?
I literally explained what I meant to the T in the post that youre quoting.
don't even bother responding. I'm done with you idiots, at least until somebody else tags in to take the weight.
BmoreGorilla
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No you didn't dummy
"that was all coming from the backlash that Atlanta is not a rap city"
^^^ Did you just skip over that part of the post? Where did he say anything about backpack?
You playing yourself.
And like clockwork, you come up with a lame excuse about party rap being phased out. Backpack rap wasn't all that popular either. The tides had turned and leaned far more gangsta than backpack. In terms of So So Def, we can't act like JD didn't try to come up off of gangsta rap when put out Da Brat's debut.
you and ole bul are looking like the coli version of dumb n dumber,
you do realize that JD is a producer right?
I'm clearly referring to his rap albums. you know that right??
but since you want to go there, most of JD's r&b productions go harder than outkast's hardest songs.
You look like dumb and dumber both of them with each post. JD is a producer and most of his catalog consists of R&B records. Brat, the three songs he produced for Jay Z, "Welcome To Atlanta", and Life In 1472 are his most notable contributions to Hip Hop.
You are not referring to JD and his rap albums if you're talking about party rap being phased out. JD didn't drop a solo album until the tail end of the Jiggy/Shiny Suit era. The singles were party songs. Breh had singles with Mariah Carey, Usher, and Keith Sweat and you're in here trying to imply that Kast was less Hip Hop for having an R&B sound, but that JD was closer to traditional Hip Hop.
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I really dont get why yall going at wacky like this.
Dude said they targeted an rnb audience, mofos got mad, now the conversation is going all over the place into mad diff areas and yall tryna pickapart everythinf else to discredit his ORIGINAL statement
Kast debuted on a TLC SINGLE. FACT. AND THEN on an rnb album. Fact. On an rnb label. Fact. Singles with rnb singers. Fact. Beats that would fit on rnb albums of the era. FACT. Funky ride on spcm is an rnb song by rnb singers. Fact.
Rnb and hiphop werent even fused like that in that period. It took puff/bad boy and laface to carve that lane into a hip hop staple. Yes LL did it first. G rap did mob rap first that dont mean rAe big n nas didnt carve out their niche n take it to the next level.
Guess which chart PLAYAZ BALL topped for 6 weeks... THE RNB CHART. They have multiple songs on they first few albums with rnb singers doing the hooks. What is the issue here. ? Its only NATURAL than and rnb label would market to an rnb AUDIENCE.
Mufukkas mad as hell in here and i dont understand why.
I mean shyt like elevators gets SAMPLED by rnb artists. These dude made commercially acceptable music utilizing genres like goapel, soul n rnb... how are they not more commercially accessible than MOBB DEEP who didnt have a girl sing on their tracks til their 4TH ALBUM and didnt have a blatant commercially rnb song til infamy? I mean what are yall dudes even arguing about.
Dude said they targeted an rnb audience, mofos got mad, now the conversation is going all over the place into mad diff areas and yall tryna pickapart everythinf else to discredit his ORIGINAL statement
Kast debuted on a TLC SINGLE. FACT. AND THEN on an rnb album. Fact. On an rnb label. Fact. Singles with rnb singers. Fact. Beats that would fit on rnb albums of the era. FACT. Funky ride on spcm is an rnb song by rnb singers. Fact.
Rnb and hiphop werent even fused like that in that period. It took puff/bad boy and laface to carve that lane into a hip hop staple. Yes LL did it first. G rap did mob rap first that dont mean rAe big n nas didnt carve out their niche n take it to the next level.
Guess which chart PLAYAZ BALL topped for 6 weeks... THE RNB CHART. They have multiple songs on they first few albums with rnb singers doing the hooks. What is the issue here. ? Its only NATURAL than and rnb label would market to an rnb AUDIENCE.
Mufukkas mad as hell in here and i dont understand why.
I mean shyt like elevators gets SAMPLED by rnb artists. These dude made commercially acceptable music utilizing genres like goapel, soul n rnb... how are they not more commercially accessible than MOBB DEEP who didnt have a girl sing on their tracks til their 4TH ALBUM and didnt have a blatant commercially rnb song til infamy? I mean what are yall dudes even arguing about.
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Wacky deserves it. He brought that BS argument that he brings to every Kast thread to this thread.
They didn't target an R&B audience. Again, you're singling out Kast again as usual. Puff had Biggie featured on remixes with Mary J. Blige and Jodeci all before his '94 debut dropped. Kast had ONE guest spot on a remix to a TLC song.
R&B singers from that era were singing over beats that would fit on rap albums. Rappers were rapping over beats that sounded like something you could throw Mary J. Blige on.
Now you're contradicting yourself. You're saying R&B and Hip Hop wasn't fused like that in that period but are crediting Puff/Bad Boy and LaFace with carving that lane into a Hip Hop staple.
"Player's Ball" topped the Rap charts too. It remained on the charts for 31 weeks:
OutKast Player's Ball Chart History
"Player's Ball" peaked at #12 on the R&B charts.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
that argument started before I even knew this thread existed.
and youre well-aware of this, because I already corrected you on this twice already.
youre clearly just reaching for straws.
not only are you reaching for straws, but youre picking them back up off the floor as well. you f*ckin dunce.