OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

[JustCKing]

“The label was”

Ok bro looks like we back to square one cause you keep telling me a fact in a sentence and then use that fact to justify your point

My point: “laface was a rnb label that marketed their hip hop in an rnb way”

You: “laface didnt like elevators and kast pushed it and it blew up. So they let kast pick they singles. THAT MEANS THEY HAD NO SAY IN THE PRODUCT”

you been doing that all thread. Thats what the news does dont do that breh

No, the point you were trying to make is that Mobb is more Hip Hop than Kast. That's why there's an argument. You attempted to prove that argument by saying Kast was R&B influenced, which is plausible if you're also acknowledging that most every Hip Hop artist of that era was just as R&B influenced if not more. Then you moved on to say Kast (along with Biggie) pioneered R&B influenced Hip Hop, which has no ground or legs to stand on being that other acts used this same formula before them.

In what way were Kast marketed in an R&B way?

They had say in the product. If they had no say, they wouldn't be producing songs on their own album. Secondly, La Face would've still had influence over their single choices.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Oh i agree. Its not thatbthey were soft.. they had just as much content as the next gangsta group but i still think they occupied that lane and they werent quite as “brash” as their contemporaries (especially as time went on.. spcm was their “rawest” album imo).

Let me just say this.

I LOVE OUTKASTS RNB shyt or whatever else yall wanna call it. I kinda think they did it best. I just thought they came thru as kinda like ... “safer”? Idk if thats the right word so i dont see them in same light as say a biggie or even wutang using rnb hooks n shyt.

I think the difference with them at the time is that they were very honest about who they were. Not saying Big and Wu Tang weren’t but we know how east cost hip hop can be when it comes to fabricating shyt for a punchline. Like Big talking about robbing pregnant women or Jada saying he has enough coke to use the scales they weigh the whales with. Outkast wasn’t trying to be the best MCs or prove how gangsta they were. I think that’s why people were kinda confused about them at first

 

[JustCKing]

I think the difference with them at the time is that they were very honest about who they were. Not saying Big and Wu Tang weren’t but we know how east cost hip hop can be when it comes to fabricating shyt for a punchline. Like Big talking about robbing pregnant women or Jada saying he has enough coke to use the scales they weigh the whales with. Outkast wasn’t trying to be the best MCs or prove how gangsta they were. I think that’s why people were kinda confused about them at first

This.

A lot of the more grimier Hip Hop bordered on horrocore and it was a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration. I'm a fan of Mobb Deep's music and think they have made some of the greatest Hip Hop ever, but a lot of their lyrics bring to mind visual images of some of those fatalities off Mortal Kombat.

 

[mobbinfms]

Jada saying he has enough coke to use the scales they weigh the whales with.

That's not true???

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

"that was all coming from the backlash that Atlanta is not a rap city"

^^^ Did you just skip over that part of the post? Where did he say anything about backpack?

You playing yourself.

And like clockwork, you come up with a lame excuse about party rap being phased out. Backpack rap wasn't all that popular either. The tides had turned and leaned far more gangsta than backpack. In terms of So So Def, we can't act like JD didn't try to come up off of gangsta rap when put out Da Brat's debut.

what are you talking about? underground backpack rap was still blowing up when outkast came out.

da brat wasn't gangsta rap. I think you meant to say that she had a g-funk sound on her debut.

Every poster in here disagreeing with you and your boy is being called mentally ill, yet you're in the thread lying about posts you didn't make. Maybe you should take your own advice and look at what you've done in every post in this thread.

nah.

youre the only one that we're calling mentally ill.

don't try to drage the other 2 or 3 people down with you.

I hear you. But back then on the radio I was hearing all the R&B shyt. Never heard the TLC Remix. And I wasn’t just watching Rap City, I was watching Video LP, I think there was Video Soul. Donnie Simpson had a show right? I’m just going off memory.
I was even checking for Carribean Rhymths :prodigylol:
That was just for the host though :prodigylol:
Never heard shyt about Kast till the Players Ball video.

So where was all this marketing?

its not about merely watching video LP or barely remembering video soul. you kinda have to be in touch with the scene & the audience.
just like with hip-hop. if somebody said "I remember watching rap city, and I think that yo! mtv raps show out", you'd prolly laugh them out the building.

but anyway,
placement on major r&b songs/remixes/compilation = marketing

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

See. This is why i refuse to talk to you.

Why would an rnb label sign and promote a “gangsta rap” group in the first place?

Why would they choose and RNB xmas album to be where they were first premiered if thats not the LANE they were in.

Name one rap group that made their premier on an RNB album.. a XMAS one at that. fukk “gangsta rap” or “pimp rap” or whatever other genee yall trying to say kast was occupying... name one RAP artist that was premiered this way.

Would you put mobb deep on a xmas album? No you wouodnt. It was a NATURAL FIT for kast cuz THAT WAS THEIR LANE.

Yall kast stans are something else dude.

There is NOTHING wring with occupying that lane. Infact kast was PIONEERS of that lane..

And yall know for a goddamn fact if this thread was about “who pioneered rnb hip hop” youd be screaming outkast...

But when the conversation leans towards “whos more hip hop/why are one groups sales less than the other” you talking out ya ass cuz you’re a stan. Its ok im a wu stan. But be consistant bro im too smart to fall for that shyt sorry. Be real with yaself for a minute please. Kast was promoted by an rnb label, featired rnb esque songs, and were inteoduced on an rnb soft ass xmas album.... but kast aint in the hiphop/rnb lane which they were one ofbthe first to truly be successful at in an era wherevthis shyt popped off.

Biggie made rnb records too but we all group with mobb over kast. We do that for a reason.

i don't understand how this argument pertains to who is better though?

 

[JustCKing]

youre the only one that we're calling mentally ill.

don't try to drage the other 2 or 3 people down with you.

You're lying.


You tried to call @BmoreGorilla crazy too.


I'm not dragging anyone into the gutter.

 

[JustCKing]

what are you talking about? underground backpack rap was still blowing up when outkast came out.

da brat wasn't gangsta rap. I think you meant to say that she had a g-funk sound on her debut.





nah.

youre the only one that we're calling mentally ill.

don't try to drage the other 2 or 3 people down with you.





its not about merely watching video LP or barely remembering video soul. you kinda have to be in touch with the scene & the audience.
just like with hip-hop. if somebody said "I remember watching rap city, and I think that yo! mtv raps show out", you'd prolly laugh them out the building.

but anyway,
placement on major r&b songs/remixes/compilation = marketing

If being on a major R&B song is marketing then Mobb Deep was marketed towards R&B too via the Mariah Carey collabo and there's also the remix to Monica's "Like This" remix from 1995.

 

[bigesco]

this thread went full retarded.

Outkast first 2 albums are certified hip hop classics.

Mobb is better yes but outkast was fukking ill back then too.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Outkast first 2 albums are certified hip hop classics.

no theyre not.

that distinction is for a chosen few.

If being on a major R&B song is marketing then Mobb Deep was marketed towards R&B too via the Mariah Carey collabo and there's also the remix to Monica's "Like This" remix from 1995.

mobb deep were 2 albums in, and had already blew up beforehand. it wasn't their introduction. and monica was RAW. that's like doing a song with mary j blige.

Mariah sampled their song and threw them on it......and they were 3 albums deep by that point.​

You're lying.

You tried to call @BmoreGorilla crazy too.
I'm not dragging anyone into the gutter.​

I may have called him that in a different context.
like "you crazy" or "you buggin".

not the same as my exchanges with you.
you need to be 302'd.

its no comparison.

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i don't understand how this argument pertains to who is better though?

why don't you read the thread & find out??

instead of making the same lost comments over & over.

 

[JustCKing]

mobb deep were 2 albums in, and had already blew up beforehand. it wasn't their introduction. and monica was RAW. that's like doing a song with mary j blige.

Mariah sampled their song and threw them on it......and they were 3 albums deep by that point

It is still marketing. Doing a song with Monica is hardly the same as doing a song with Mary in '95. They were two different lanes. Mary was more for grown ups and Monica was more for teens. Doing a song with Mary was a badge of honor. Hardly the same and it is not a knock against Monica.

Regardless of how deep they were in albums, they still were sampled and featured by an R&B/Pop star.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

It is still marketing. Doing a song with Monica is hardly the same as doing a song with Mary in '95. They were two different lanes. Mary was more for grown ups and Monica was more for teens. Doing a song with Mary was a badge of honor. Hardly the same and it is not a knock against Monica.

Regardless of how deep they were in albums, they still were sampled and featured by an R&B/Pop star.

monica was the teenage mary j. she wasn't bubble-gum.
and mobb deep were still teenagers themselves.

and regardless, this whole argument is ridiculous. youre reaching for straws.
lol @ getting your song sampled by an r&b singer being equated to coming in the game on the r&b wave.

 

[JustCKing]

monica was the teenage mary j. she wasn't bubble-gum.
and mobb deep were still teenagers themselves.

and regardless, this whole argument is ridiculous. youre reaching for straws.
lol @ getting your song sampled by an r&b singer being equated to coming in the game on the r&b wave.

There wasn't a twenage Mary. Going a song with Monica was nowhere near like doing a song with Mary. Monica wasn't even viewed as Hip Hop/Soul the way that her contemporaries were. Monica drew more comparisons to Whitney than Mary.

Kast were still teenagers as well when appearing on TLC's song. Don't really see what age has to do with it. wasn't bubblegum either.

The whole sampling thing was brought up by your boy not me. He said that "Elevators" was being sampled by R&B artists. I pointed out that R&B and R&B/Pop artists were sampling Mobb too.

 

[mobbinfms]

Hav and P weren’t teenagers in 95.
P wasn’t even on the Monica record.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

There wasn't a twenage Mary. Foing a song with Monica was nowhere near like doing a song with Mary. Monica wasn't even viewed as Hip Hop/Soul the way that her contemporaries were. Monica drew more comparisons to Whitney than Mary.

Kast were still teenagers as well when appearing on TLC's song. Don't really see what age has to do with it. wasn't bubblegum either.

The whole sampling thing was brought up by your boy not me. He said that "Elevators" was being sampled by R&B artists. I pointed out that R&B and R&B/Pop artists were sampling Mobb too.

monica was routinely compared to both actually.

I love TLC but they were bubblegum breh.

I mentioned mob's age, or what I thought was their age, because you brought up monica's. its all pointless tho.