OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

[mobbinfms]

I already said BIGGIE did the same thing bro. Like several times. The exact SAME shyt. I used big and outkast as the example infact as SETTING THE BLUEPRINT.

So try again.

You gonna tell me outkast is more hardcore traditional hip hop than BIG?

I hope not

I’m not even coming close to reading every post in this thread :prodigylol:

Outkast was as hip hop as Big to me then

 

[ZEB WALTON]

When people want to talk about lies, let's take a look at this BS:

This is why i know youre dumb as fukk. Cuz these 2 quotes dont even have anythjjng to do with each other

I stated that kast/laface and big/badboy were the ones who really took this rnb hiphop ahit to next level. YOU are the one telling me THAT WAS A LIE and then used BIGGIE as your goddamn example

Then i said if this thread wasnt about mobb deep being more “hardcore” hip hop thanoutkast and was about “who pioneered the rnb influence in hip hop” yall would say it then. Cause your an outkast stan and just wanna act like they did it all good n nothing negative.

So what the fukk does this even mean.

Have fun diggin thru my posts for inconsistancies. Theyll be a few cuz im arguing with a goddamn STUNAD

 

[ZEB WALTON]

^^^ R&B/Pop artists sampling Mobb.

You are thick. Godbless

Im out yall. Was fun.

Juatcking

I’m not even coming close to reading every post in this thread :prodigylol:

Outkast was as hip hop as Big to me then

mobb/wu >> outkast in terms of PURE hip hop. One side made pure nyc hip hop, the other did aomething else. All are hip hop. But there are levels

Dont go soft on me breh (no homo)

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

IN what way?
I was 13-14 when all this was happening and I don't remember it that way at all.
How were they marketed as a rap group with R&B influence?

I don't think anyone is arguing they were as hardcore as Mobb Deep in the mid 90s. At this point the argument is were they viewed as a regular hip hop group? Or hip hop smoothed out on the R&B tip with a pop feel appeal to it

its because youre strictly a rap fan!!!!
it doesn't matter how old you were if youre not aware.

youre the homie, but youre buggin now.
the point where you realized that outkast was around and being marketed in the r&b realm long before they reached your jurisdiction; that should've been the point where you waved the white flag.

we just told you that they were being marketed to r&b fans first. then you turn around and ask the bolded.

 

[JustCKing]

Lmao

Got me there bro. I meant charted but again you wanna use shyt like me sayjng “topped” wrong like that has any impact on MY POINT

You still 4 lies up. Still waiting for that fakkit line and the “outkast was the only rnb influenced group”


This whole argument is based on outkast having more accessible music than mobb deep... and yall saying NO THEY DONT when its clear as fukking day.

Call Me when a cold day in hell approaches and prodigy makes hey ya

That isn't the only lie you've posted in this thread.

Outkast pioneering R&B influenced Hip Hop of Hip Hop being fused with R&B is a LIE.

I don't think anyone would say Kast's music isn't more accessible than Mobb's. It's posts like the BS above about Kast pioneering R&B influenced Hip Hop, and talking about how Mobb Deep is more Hip Hop, the attempt to discredit Kast as being Hip Hop. I wouldn't even be in here arguing if it wasn't for bogus statements like that. Notice I'm not even responding to posts where posters are simply saying they like Mobb better or they never liked Kast or Kast is wack. Why, it's their opinion and they aren't in here trying to discredit Kast, but simply dropping an opinion without trying to pass it off as fact.

 

[hex]

The version i posted was the original version and the one that made LA Reid greenlight they album. How you heard it makes no difference.. they were marketed as a rap group with rnb influence. That is the truth. Why people wanna take that as a diss idk

If people wan act like outkast is as hardcore as mobb deep they can but i think even you know thats bullshyt

The version you posted was the B-side of the cassette single if I remember correctly.

Or maybe it was the vinyl. Anyway, it's called "Player's Ball (Reprise)"....it's not the original version. The version that blew up is actually called (Original) on "SPCM".

LA Reid green lit the album after the Original version blew up.

The Mind Blowing Story of How Outkast’s Career Started on a Christmas Album

Production trio Organized Noize try to get L.A. Reid, at the time the head of the R&B label LaFace Records, to sign these kids that go by Outkast. Reid's hesitant, he doesn't know anything about hip-hop, won't these "gangster" rappers ruin the clean R&B look of LaFace?

Reid relents and signs them, but he's still not really sold, isn't giving them much backing or support. He tells them they need to contribute to the label's 1993 album, A LaFace Family Christmas.

"Player's Ball" is an unexpected hit, radio DJs can't stop playing this one song on a Christmas album. Reid realizes he might actually have something here, releases "Player's Ball" as a stand-alone single, none other than Puff Daddy directs the music video, and it explodes even further. Reid's now convinced. He green lights their 1994 debut album, Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, which established Outkast as a commercial and artistic force.

Mind you, he didn't even want them on the label....which is why he gave them a throwaway song on a Christmas album. Had nothing to do with R&B or their sound or anything like that.

Fred.

 

[JustCKing]

You are thick. Godbless

Im out yall. Was fun.

Juatcking

mobb/wu >> outkast in terms of PURE hip hop. One side made pure nyc hip hop, the other did aomething else. All are hip hop. But there are levels

Dont go soft on me breh (no homo)

Nah, Mariah Carey is thick. God bless you as well. I'm balancing out the scales. You want to try to act like Kast was less Hip Hop because R&B acts sampled their music and I raised you.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

The version you posted was the B-side of the cassette single if I remember correctly.

Or maybe it was the vinyl. Anyway, it's called "Player's Ball (Reprise)"....it's not the original version. The version that blew up is actually called (Original) on "SPCM".

LA Reid green lit the album after the Original version blew up.

The Mind Blowing Story of How Outkast’s Career Started on a Christmas Album



Mind you, he didn't even want them on the label....which is why he gave them a throwaway song on a Christmas album. Had nothing to do with R&B or their sound or anything like that.

Fred.

The version i posted is the reprise yur right

Heres the xmas version. Same hook. Diff than album version? I cant tell anymore.




Tho im not sure if this is it either. Tho itd make sense theyd use same song on album

Tho i wouldnt doubt you. Reading that article i took it as they green lit the album after that version.

Same situation as how high idk which one is original anymore.

Edit;

From your link

“"Player's Ball" is an unexpected hit, radio DJs can't stop playing this one song on a Christmas album”

That reads as the song blew up on radio then they cut the singpe version which is on the album.

My poiny was it got a rnb singing hook in 93. That was not the norm. Its rnb influenced.

 

[JustCKing]

This is why i know youre dumb as fukk. Cuz these 2 quotes dont even have anythjjng to do with each other

I stated that kast/laface and big/badboy were the ones who really took this rnb hiphop ahit to next level. YOU are the one telling me THAT WAS A LIE and then used BIGGIE as your goddamn example

Then i said if this thread wasnt about mobb deep being more “hardcore” hip hop thanoutkast and was about “who pioneered the rnb influence in hip hop” yall would say it then. Cause your an outkast stan and just wanna act like they did it all good n nothing negative.

So what the fukk does this even mean.

Have fun diggin thru my posts for inconsistancies. Theyll be a few cuz im arguing with a goddamn STUNAD

Those quotes had everything to do with each other because you were talking about Kast pioneering the lane.

You were telling a lie, and I didn't use Biggie as an example. I used Mary J's remix album to point out that it was a similar situation to La Face throwing Kast on TLC's remix except it was just one song. Biggie nor Outkast blew that lane up.

I never said Outkast did all good and nothing negative. I'm in this thread calling "Hey Ya" wack. A stan wouldn't admit that.

Nearly every post you have in this thread is an inconsistency.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Those quotes had everything to do with each other because you were talking about Kast pioneering the lane.

You were telling a lie, and I didn't use Biggie as an example. I used Mary J's remix album to point out that it was a similar situation to La Face throwing Kast on TLC's remix except it was just one song. Biggie nor Outkast blew that lane up.

I never said Outkast did all good and nothing negative. I'm in this thread calling "Hey Ya" wack. A stan wouldn't admit that.

Nearly every post you have in this thread is an inconsistency.

U still going? Why you so mad atvthe fact i think kast is an rnb influenced group. Thats the REAL question.

Puff didnt make rnb and hip hop gotogether like pbnj now? Laface and badboy aee BOTH known for this.

I said they pioneered the lane in the era theybwere in. Puff didnt pioneer the lane in the 90s? BIGGIE made that ahit the norm which is why LAD is the BLUEPRINT for every commercial rap album released ever since

I alreadyclarified with bmore ll cool j started thay. Just like i clarified g rap started mob rap and that dont mean rae big n nas didnt take it to next level. Your like 7 posts behind.

Kast is a easier listwn. If i have to explain to you the difference between hip hop, hardcore hip hop and rnb influenced hip hop than theres no pointnin having this discussion cause your arguing againsy points you dont even comprehend

 

[mobbinfms]

You are thick. Godbless

Im out yall. Was fun.

Juatcking

mobb/wu >> outkast in terms of PURE hip hop. One side made pure nyc hip hop, the other did aomething else. All are hip hop. But there are levels

Dont go soft on me breh (no homo)

I agree with all this. There’s definitely levels.

 

[Hollywood Co]

nikkas calling outkast rnb

They foolin in here bruh

 

[mobbinfms]

its because youre strictly a rap fan!!!!
it doesn't matter how old you were if youre not aware.

youre the homie, but youre buggin now.
the point where you realized that outkast was around and being marketed in the r&b realm long before they reached your jurisdiction; that should've been the point where you waved the white flag.

we just told you that they were being marketed to r&b fans first. then you turn around and ask the bolded.

I hear you. But back then on the radio I was hearing all the R&B shyt. Never heard the TLC Remix. And I wasn’t just watching Rap City, I was watching Video LP, I think there was Video Soul. Donnie Simpson had a show right? I’m just going off memory.
I was even checking for Carribean Rhymths :prodigylol:
That was just for the host though :prodigylol:
Never heard shyt about Kast till the Players Ball video.

So where was all this marketing?

 

[ZEB WALTON]

I agree with all this. There’s definitely levels.

Finally... this all im askin this other dude

Are there levels @JustCKing ?

Cuz if there are... whats your point?

Let me end this thread correctly


Outkast RIP 93-2004

Wu-tang.... FOREVER

 

[JustCKing]

U still going? Why you so mad atvthe fact i think kast is an rnb influenced group. Thats the REAL question.

Puff didnt make rnb and hip hop gotogether like pbnj now? Laface and badboy aee BOTH known for this.

I said they pioneered the lane in the era theybwere in. Puff didnt pioneer the lane in the 90s? BIGGIE made that ahit the norm which is why LAD is the BLUEPRINT for every commercial rap album released ever since

I alreadyclarified with bmore ll cool j started thay. Just like i clarified g rap started mob rap and that dont mean rae big n nas didnt take it to next level. Your like 7 posts behind.

Kast is a easier listwn. If i have to explain to you the difference between hip hop, hardcore hip hop and rnb influenced hip hop than theres no pointnin having this discussion cause your arguing againsy points you dont even comprehend

I just explained what exactly I took issue with: attempting to use an R&B argument to discredit Kast as Hip Hop.

Putting R&B singers on Hip Hop beats, rappers rapping over R&B loops, or rappers featuring R&B singers over R&B influenced production with Hip Hop drums was nothing new. Again, I've posted songs that pre-date Kast and Bad Boy that did all of that. The fusion of R&B/Hip Hop as it is today came later in the 90's and it wasn't pioneered by Kast.

I read your G Rap/Mobb/Nas/Rae comparison, but you're still off base because LL Cool J is still considered as Hip Hop as G Rap/Mobb/Nas/Rae the same way Kast is considered as Hip Hop as Mobb Deep. The difference is that G Rap's music was more grimier than LL's and Mobb's music is more grimier than Kast's. If we want to keep it 100%, Mobb Deep was grimier than G Rap, Nas, Rae, and LL.

Breh, you're nitpicking. It's all Hip Hop. It's all going to come down to what the listener prefers. All that, well this is that type of Hip Hop is neither here or there. That's why you have posters in here questioning why does it matter which was "softer".