Papoose: Nas Greatness gets downplayed because....

[spliz]

Those are the facts.

I’ve seen mad people point this out to you. You’re being selective with your sources, that aren’t even specific to Nas. As other people have told you repeatedly, the album shipped a million. Shipping a million is what gets you a certification sometimes. But the album actually sold around 700. That can also be found online quickly too, with some “decent” Googling.

What @Ziggiy is saying is that based on the criteria. Nas went plat with SD. Yall tryna use the fact that it was a double album. Which would be literally false and against their certification rules and standards. So. For whatever reason Nas was certified plat for SD. Using the fact that it was a double disc shouldn’t be the reason. And would render what ur saying as a lie. Even @ISO tried to use the double album shyt at one point now he’s saying it only shipped Plat. Which one is it? And if u got some inside info bro. Break it down for us how his album is certified platinum despite only selling 750k.

 

[Awesome Wells]

What @Ziggiy is saying is that based on the criteria. Nas went plat with SD. Yall tryna use the fact that it was a double album. Which would be literally false and against their certification rules and standards. So. For whatever reason Nas was certified plat for SD. Using the fact that it was a double disc shouldn’t be the reason. And would render what ur saying as a lie. Even @ISO tried to use the double album shyt at one point now he’s saying it only shipped Plat. Which one is it? And if u got some inside info bro. Break it down for us how his album is certified platinum despite only selling 750k.

It's just two different conversations. One is about certifications, the other is about what actually sold. Columbia shipped a million units, but only 700 and change sold. Which is also why Nas owed the label after that. They never recouped those losses from the album they shipped, but didn't sell.

We're saying the certification is because it was a double, not because it sold a million. It's just two different takes, but both are true.

 

[spliz]

It's just two different conversations. One is about certifications, the other is about what actually sold. Columbia shipped a million units, but only 700 and change sold. Which is also why Nas owed the label after that. They never recouped those losses from the album they shipped, but didn't sell.

We're saying the certification is because it was a double, not because it sold a million. It's just two different takes, but both are true.

Hmm. So what does the double album have anything to do with it? Honestly. It’s either one reason or another. It can’t be the double album reason. So is it just the shipped reason?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Hmm. So what does the double album have anything to do with it? Honestly. It’s either one reason or another. It can’t be the double album reason. So is it just the shipped reason?

It's called "double-counting".

The RIAA allows record labels to request certification for albums. If a label can prove that they shipped a certain amount of records, then they are certified for the amount they shipped. But if a label hasn't shipped an amount that would warrant that, those projects are seen as "under-certified". So if an album ships on vinyl, for example, like one of the Led Zeppelin boxsets, and it has 4 LP's, that set would only need to sell 250,000 to be technically certified platinum. That's why a lot of record labels started shipping bonus discs in the 90's. Universal did it with Rakim. One disc for the new material, and a second disc for the classics. By doing that, you double the sales for the entire project. That album went Gold, but Universal doubled the sales by shipping two discs. So you can get the certification by either shipping the amount or actually selling the amount.

 

[spliz]

It's called "double-counting".

The RIAA allows record labels to request certification for albums. If a label can prove that they shipped a certain amount of records, then they are certified for the amount they shipped. But if a label hasn't shipped an amount that would warrant that, those projects are seen as "under-certified". So if an album ships on vinyl, for example, like one of the Led Zeppelin boxsets, and it has 4 LP's, that set would only need to sell 250,000 to be technically certified platinum. That's why a lot of record labels started shipping bonus discs in the 90's. Universal did it with Rakim. One disc for the new material, and a second disc for the classics. By doing that, you double the sales for the entire project. That album went Gold, but Universal doubled the sales by shipping two discs. So you can get the certification by either shipping the amount or actually selling the amount.

Look. I understand the double album shyt and I understand the shipping shyt. My thing is Nas’ SD album doesn’t meet the requirements to be counted as 2 separate discs. So them counting the 2 discs to double the sales doesn’t count in this case. So it’s either he sold it or just shipped it. Also according to RIAA. It wasn’t certified platinum until a year later. It was gold that a January tho.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Look. I understand the double album shyt and I understand the shipping shyt. My thing is Nas’ SD album doesn’t meet the requirements to be counted as 2 separate discs. So them counting the 2 discs to double the sales doesn’t count in this case. So it’s either he sold it or just shipped it.

It's constituted as "multiple media per package", so SD is considered two discs.

The album sold 700 and change. Columbia shipped over a million copies. That's why its certified platinum.

 

[Life is Good]

Nas ain’t had a hit in 20 years

But yet he can still can out rap all those artist who have. Still went platinum and gold as well.

 

[Life is Good]

Where did I short him again? Did you not READ that I clearly said that Life is Good went gold and came out in 2012?

Nasir didn’t go gold and to date King’s Disease hasn’t. So

Hip Hop Is Dead
Untitled
Life Is Good

Thats three Gold albums. All which debuted at number 1

HHID is platinum. Nas has the plaque.

 

[Wild self]

brehs who used to hate on nas would say shyt like "I don't want to think while I listen to music" and phrases like "big words"

People who hate on Nas, are low key disrespectful to anyone that doesn't fit their limited, rigid paradigm as well as being low-key anti black. Nas had the 90s, the 00s, the 10s, and now in 2021 about to win a Grammy. He is a legend's legend. People who downplay him and his message are people that like fast food processed music.

 

[Ziggiy]

Look. I understand the double album shyt and I understand the shipping shyt. My thing is Nas’ SD album doesn’t meet the requirements to be counted as 2 separate discs. So them counting the 2 discs to double the sales doesn’t count in this case. So it’s either he sold it or just shipped it. Also according to RIAA. It wasn’t certified platinum until a year later. It was gold that a January tho.

Ain’t no point in debating someone who cannot back up grandiose claims with any proof whatsoever. Any and EVERYTHING I say regarding Nas certifications, chart placements, and relative relevance within mainstream hip hop can be backed up. If @Awesome Wells wants to claim he worked on SD and it was a sales disappointment he can certainly type whatever he wants. But without proof it means nothing.


The FACTS are that Nas put out SD and its been certified as a Platinum. Not based upon “double counting” but on its own merit. Nas himself seemed proud of what the album accomplished because he bragged about it on his VERY NEXT album Hip Hop Is Dead.

Facts are that because Nas owed Columbia another album he negotiated the move to Def Jam and DJ and Columbia split the profits of HHID and Untitled. Now if SD was such a sales disappointment I can’t fathom why Def Jam would bother to give Nas Ten Million dollars for FOUR MORE albums. But again if we’re dealing with FACTS then i’m not here to digress.


FACTS are that Nas was Platinum selling artist when he left Columbia. Any other argument without proof to the contrary is bullshyt.


FACTS are that Nas got at least Ten Million dollars to sign with Def Jam. The first three of which debuted at number 1. All three went Gold. Hip Hop Is Dead’s first week was higher than Stillmatic, Gods Son, and SD. Untitled’s first week was higher than Gods Son. So, barring any PROOF from all the knowing @Awesome Wells that Def Jam was unhappy with three straight number 1 debuting albums that went Gold I BELIEVE that stating Nas pretty “decently” all things considered is pretty factual.


And even if we have to discount that last part, i ask the question again. WHAT RAPPER that debuted in 1994 can still debut within the top 5 when they release an album? What rapper that debuted in 1994 has their album selected as an unofficial soundtrack for the NBA playoffs? Which rapper that debuted in 1994 is getting Grammy nominations?

Because THAT rapper still seems pretty commercially relevant to me

 

[Wild self]

You'd be surprised how many don't

Like Max B aka Max BiggaVelli downplays on Nas not being a NY legend.

 

[Wild self]

@ISO brought up a very uncomfortable truth...Once God’s Son cycle was over Nas didn’t have one single song that lived in clubs/parties

Prior to 03 for all his lyrical prowess and talent he stayed with some shyt for the clubs

Oochie Wally
Owe Me
Hate Me Now
Phone Tap
If I Ruled The World
Got Yourself A Gun

Nas always had at least one song from an album ringing off in the club. His best chance post 03 was with “Virgo” but for some reason they never pushed for it as a single

Bridging The Gap?
Just A Moment?
Hero???
etc

It just got worse & worse. It was almost as if he wasn’t trying to compete

Post God's Son in 2003 and onwards, the culture moved on to the south for party hits. Cant judge Nas by that metric alone

 

[Awesome Wells]

Ain’t no point in debating someone who cannot back up grandiose claims with any proof whatsoever. Any and EVERYTHING I say regarding Nas certifications, chart placements, and relative relevance within mainstream hip hop can be backed up. If @Awesome Wells wants to claim he worked on SD and it was a sales disappointment he can certainly type whatever he wants. But without proof it means nothing.


The FACTS are that Nas put out SD and its been certified as a Platinum. Not based upon “double counting” but on its own merit. Nas himself seemed proud of what the album accomplished because he bragged about it on his VERY NEXT album Hip Hop Is Dead.

Facts are that because Nas owed Columbia another album he negotiated the move to Def Jam and DJ and Columbia split the profits of HHID and Untitled. Now if SD was such a sales disappointment I can’t fathom why Def Jam would bother to give Nas Ten Million dollars for FOUR MORE albums. But again if we’re dealing with FACTS then i’m not here to digress.


FACTS are that Nas was Platinum selling artist when he left Columbia. Any other argument without proof to the contrary is bullshyt.


FACTS are that Nas got at least Ten Million dollars to sign with Def Jam. The first three of which debuted at number 1. All three went Gold. Hip Hop Is Dead’s first week was higher than Stillmatic, Gods Son, and SD. Untitled’s first week was higher than Gods Son. So, barring any PROOF from all the knowing @Awesome Wells that Def Jam was unhappy with three straight number 1 debuting albums that went Gold I BELIEVE that stating Nas pretty “decently” all things considered is pretty factual.


And even if we have to discount that last part, i ask the question again. WHAT RAPPER that debuted in 1994 can still debut within the top 5 when they release an album?

Because THAT rapper still seems pretty commercially relevant to me

Again, I get that you're a self-proclaimed Nas superfan, and you get upset when people tell you things about Nas that don’t make you happy. Bro, I get it.

But no one said that he wasn't a platinum selling artist when he left Columbia. No one said that Def Jam was unhappy with anything. We said Columbia was. No one said anything about HHID's first week numbers not being higher than Stillmatic's. I actually pointed out that they were higher than God's Son and SD. So it's clear that you're too emotional about this topic to even read what's being posted. You should probably read what's been said, then post. That way, you don’t have to argue with yourself over facts that have already been said. You're speaking about literally everything other than the actual topic. Way too emotional over this.

What you "can't fathom" is your business. But revenue from platinum albums back then were typically in the range of $10M-$20M for record labels. Nas was given a typical vanity label deal, which would bring him back around 12% of the revenue made. If I give you $10M for 4 projects, how much money am I going to make in the long run? Back then, somewhere around $80M, if you count deliverables. So again, you're a huge Nas fan, and that's cool. But you clearly don’t know anything about the record business. And typing up all that shyt you just did exposes that, lol. You should probably just stick to listening to the music.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Post God's Son in 2003 and onwards, the culture moved on to the south for party hits. Cant judge Nas by that metric alone

there were several paradigm shifts between it was written & God’s Son...None which prevented him from making hits during those periods

Poor Excuse

 

[Wild self]

there were several paradigm shifts between it was written & God’s Son...None which prevented him from making hits during those periods

Poor Excuse

So "One Mic" isnt a hit? "Made U Look" isn't a hit? "I Can" never reached the top 15 on the charts?