Parity at it finest in the nfl

[tru_m.a.c]

There is a science to this shyt. Read up on the rules before y'all start having emotional conversations please.

Don't argue against the seeding for #1-#4. argue about the tie breaking rules. argue about scheduling (which is done years in advance)

 

[FTBS]

it makes sense when you factor in that teams don't get to play every other team in the league.

teams pretty much play AGAINST their division.
schedules for all divison opponents are the same(except for 2 games)

so in reality teams aren't competing with teams in other divisions they are only competing with teamsin their own division for that playoff spot.
the wild card is just for the NEXT best teams to make it.
teams that were NOT good enough to win their own division.


we could always just flip it and ask why are teams rewarded a playoff berth for coming in second place in their division??

Teams play 6 out of 16 games against their division. A team could, in theory, lose all of their division games and win their division at 10-6.

For the billionth time each division is different. You can't just act like they are all the same. Some divisions require 13 wins to win, while others require 8. I'm sorry but there is no way you can tell me those should be weighted the same.

If there's one good team in division with three terrible teams, why should they be guaranteed to play those terrible teams...twice?

That's still only a little over a third of their schedule. You still gotta play 10 other pro teams from different divisions. Beyond that shyt changes fast. It was only a couple years ago when the NFC West was the weakest division and now they are the strongest. Look how fast he AFC West turned around. That said I am not beholden to the division set-up. They can just have squads change divisions each year or play random schedules each year. As long as we stop having 8-8 teams host 11-5 teams in the first round, while other 11-5 teams are at home, I am with it.

 

[Maschine_Man]

The whole concept of any postseason is to have the best teams play each other in order to determine who the best is. How does a 7-9 win team have a better case for being amongst the best than a 10-11 win team?

If 8-8 wins your division it's terrible, period. It's not like these teams are playing all 16 games against the division and thusly they are just beating each other up. You play 6 games against your division, not even the 8 they used to play.

but how do you determine who the best team is if you don't play the same teams?

I posted arizonas wins earlier in this thread.
they only beat 3 winning teams
and the rest were TERRIBLE teams

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

no, it is rewarding the best teams.

The teams with the best regular season records then make the playoffs. You could pick a random 12 teams if its about just determining the champions.


I wouldnt have a problem with that, tbh. The playoff format is broken, and the biggest reason is because they are beholden to the divisions and conferences.


the seeding is the way it is because of the same people who believe winning a division should mean something. You cant have it both ways.


and no said anything about strength of schedule. You realize no one has said the Colts should miss the playoffs because they winning in a garbage division. Why? Because they went out and won 10 games and proved they good.

When the AFC east was garbage except for New England, no one questioned there credentials either.

It's not about "rewarding" teams dude, you just made that up. It's always been about determining a champion.

Of course no one questions the Colts...they beat the Broncos and the chiefs...da fukk is you talking about?

 

[mastermind]

It's not about "rewarding" teams dude, you just made that up. It's always been about determining a champion.

breh, which teams make the playoffs? who?

The Texans and Redskins could conceivably be selected for the postseason and win the championship too?

Of course no one questions the Colts...they beat the Broncos and the chiefs...da fukk is you talking about?

and the Cardinals have won in Seattle and beat Carolina, yet they will more than likely miss the postseason because the Bears/Packers and Eagles/Cowboys will make it. and a lot of you all seem to be okay with that.

 

[Maschine_Man]

the problem is you are penalizing the Cardinals (and potentially the 49ers or Saints) for handling their business to a greater degree than teams like the Eagles and Bears/Packers just because of this artificial barrier of a division and conference.



you need to slow down and think of the ramifications of you disagreeing with "the purpose of the playoffs is to reward teams for their regular season play."

If you disagree with that, then teams like the Texans and Redskins should make the playoffs.



no its not. Hence why teams get playoff byes and homefield advantages, and the like. If it was like that, then we would just have 4 teams in the playoffs in each division and that would be it. But it doesnt work out that way, does it?

Handling your business is winning your division. if you can't win your own division don't be crying about what another teams record is.

 

[FTBS]

This is how I know you don't know what the fukk you're talking about brehzinksi

The wild card seeding IS determined by record

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
The six postseason participants from each conference are seeded as follows:

1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

When did I say anything about wildcard seeding. Two of the four division leaders have records that are inferior to the Cardinals. The Central winner is guaranteed to have fewer wins than the Cards and at the same time they are guaranteed a spot.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

That's still only a little over a third of their schedule. You still gotta play 10 other pro teams from different divisions. Beyond that shyt changes fast. It was only a couple years ago when the NFC West was the weakest division and now they are the strongest. Look how fast he AFC West turned around. That said I am not beholden to the division set-up. They can just have squads change divisions each year or play random schedules each year. As long as we stop having 8-8 teams host 11-5 teams in the first round, while other 11-5 teams are at home, I am with it.

A third of your schedule is significant, breh

Plus the fact that your're then paired against similar comp when y'all are matched with two other divisions (one in each conference)


shyt, why stop at divisions in leagues? The best athletes, period, should compete in the Olympics...fukk all this winning your country/region shyt

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

no, it is rewarding the best teams.

The teams with the best regular season records then make the playoffs. You could pick a random 12 teams if its about just determining the champions.


I wouldnt have a problem with that, tbh. The playoff format is broken, and the biggest reason is because they are beholden to the divisions and conferences.


the seeding is the way it is because of the same people who believe winning a division should mean something. You cant have it both ways.


and no said anything about strength of schedule. You realize no one has said the Colts should miss the playoffs because they winning in a garbage division. Why? Because they went out and won 10 games and proved they good.

When the AFC east was garbage except for New England, no one questioned there credentials either.

The reason I'm saying that is you have teams with easier schedules with more wins than teams with harder schedules, but if fewer wins b/c of a hard schedule still wins your division, then it is what it is. Honestly, I could see doing away with divisions, but until that happens, the systems is fine IMO, schedules are not the same (even within the division....look at Sea having NO at home vs SF having to go to NO...the season is too short to create true parity where everyone has the same chance to prove themselves against the same competition). Face value records don't hold the same weight in the NFL, so the easiest way to control for this is the division setup.

And seeding can still be changed, keep divisor winners as auto bids then do the seeding by record, it might make people play harder being that a division title doesn't guarantee a home game.

 

[FTBS]

but how do you determine who the best team is if you don't play the same teams?

I posted arizonas wins earlier in this thread.
they only beat 3 winning teams
and the rest were TERRIBLE teams

By record. Every week each team is playing against professional competition. You should be rewarded for triumphing over that professional competition.

You just shat all over you whole point BTW. If you can't determine who is the best if you don't play the same teams how can you determine a terrible teams?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

When did I say anything about wildcard seeding. Two of the four division leaders have records that are inferior to the Cardinals. The Central winner is guaranteed to have fewer wins than the Cards and at the same time they are guaranteed a spot.

You're killing me with central....NORTH

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

breh, which teams make the playoffs? who?

The Texans and Redskins could conceivably be selected for the postseason and win the championship too?



and the Cardinals have won in Seattle and beat Carolina, yet they will more than likely miss the postseason because the Bears/Packers and Eagles/Cowboys will make it. and a lot of you all seem to be okay with that.

Man miss me with these dumb ass questions. The point of the playoffs is to determine the league champion for that year. It's not about "rewarding" teams.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I miss the days of my team rolling over nikkas by 40 points in the playoffs

Y'all might complain about parity but you don't really want to see the product return to 90's status do you? I mean especially if you are a fan of a small market team... No cap means Dallas and those types will get whoever they want and be deep as fukk, dynasties will emerge and your team will never win.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

When did I say anything about wildcard seeding. Two of the four division leaders have records that are inferior to the Cardinals. The Central winner is guaranteed to have fewer wins than the Cards and at the same time they are guaranteed a spot.

This was addressed again for the third time, an hour ago.

You would still be bytching if the nfc east and north team had tied records with the cardinals.

You'd still be complaining if the cardinals had the same record as the #6th seed. Your argument would just extend to "there should be more playoff spots!!!

Give it up.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Teams play 6 out of 16 games against their division. A team could, in theory, lose all of their division games and win their division at 10-6.

For the billionth time each division is different. You can't just act like they are all the same. Some divisions require 13 wins to win, while others require 8. I'm sorry but there is no way you can tell me those should be weighted the same.

but everyone else in your same division plays the same record

for example

the NFC west will play the NFC East teams - 6 games
then play all the teams from the AFC west - 4 games
then all the teams from another NFC division - 4 games
then two other teams from the other two NFC divisions that finished in the same place that you did last year.



so when you add that all up, its only fair to crown the division champion because every team in the division plays pretty much the same record and gives each one of those teams the fairest chance to win the division and get a playoff berth.


so because the NFC West got to play the AFC South this year they were allowed to stack up wins against teams like Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Houston.....
thats 3 easy wins this year. Indy was tough, but not a great team
they also got to play against the NFC South with easy games in Atlanta and tampabay, and they only beat carolina early before they went on a streak

whereas the NFC East had to play the AFC West against the Cheifs, Broncos and Chargers all teams that are playing well




you guys don't see it...but its fine the way it is.win your division and you are in the playoffs. HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS and you are in