Pawg (FBA) Is Cyber security oversaturated?

[O.T.I.S.]

The entire tech industry is oversaturated. You will be competing with

1. recent college graduates
2. current college graduates
3. experienced professionals currently looking to switch jobs
4. experienced professionals who are out of work
5. experienced foreign professionals
6. experienced professionals who are self-taught
7. experienced professionals who went to boot camps
8. People in the same shoes as OP right now

SO on top of having enough experience, you have to master marketing and sales. Marketing to promote yourself, and sales to sell yourself.
You also have to do a lot of networking

And even with all that, it’s never enough

People have to think of IT as in it’s a lot of moving parts… you have to specialize in something

Cyber is just a subset of IT that has it’s own subset of subsets. Just pick a direction you like and go for it. Don’t need to know or read code to be in cyber. It helps, but it’s not needed not even to be in IT. IT in itself is it’s own language and every subset has it’s own language and terminology, so impossible to know and do everything.

Security will always be there because the tech is always growing

 

[RamsayBolton]

 

[JT-Money]

From what I've been seeing on social media, it seems like the field is oversaturated and there are huge layoffs and outsourcing. Is this still an optimal field to try to pivot too as a 31 year old with no experience? If not, what sector of Tech is untapped and needs employees, that also offers that big salary and remote capabilities.

Everyone negging... it is what it is . I posted this in Higher Learning with a regular title and got no response. I appreciate the people who are honestly responding sincerely.

I would look at companies doing well in this environment rather than specific tech skills. Your skills won't matter much in a terrible job market. The people with lots of industry experience to go along with tech skills aren't having as hard a time. I've never seen so many highly technical people shown the door before. What kind of networking events have you attended?

 

[JT-Money]

And even with all that, it’s never enough

People have to think of IT as in it’s a lot of moving parts… you have to specialize in something

Cyber is just a subset of IT that has it’s own subset of subsets. Just pick a direction you like and go for it. Don’t need to know or read code to be in cyber. It helps, but it’s not needed not even to be in IT. IT in itself is it’s own language and every subset has it’s own language and terminology, so impossible to know and do everything.

Security will always be there because the tech is always growing

Cybersecurity is being outsourced faster than most other technical disciplines. Probably 80% of our IT security team is in Asia, Eastern Europe and South America. I never know when I'll hop on a Teams call where nobody speaks fukking English.

 

[concise]

 

[RealCrownHeights]

And even with all that, it’s never enough

People have to think of IT as in it’s a lot of moving parts… you have to specialize in something

Cyber is just a subset of IT that has it’s own subset of subsets. Just pick a direction you like and go for it. Don’t need to know or read code to be in cyber. It helps, but it’s not needed not even to be in IT. IT in itself is it’s own language and every subset has it’s own language and terminology, so impossible to know and do everything.

Security will always be there because the tech is always growing

Yea thanks. I know it's a subset. Imma just be honest, I just want to do whatever sector of IT that pays well, is fully remote, has a market for it and the requirements to get in aren't too strenuous.

Weather that be cloud, coding etc. I know I most likely won't love what I'm doing, but If I like it enough and it gets me what I need, I can tolerate that. I'm not gonna be in the NBA or be a rich DJ which is really my passion lol.

I can put the work in, like I have multiple Sec+/Net + Textbooks and started multiple labs on Try Hack me, but no job experience.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Cybersecurity is being outsourced faster than most other technical disciplines. Probably 80% of our IT security team is in Asia, Eastern Europe and South America. I never know when I'll hop on a Teams call where nobody speaks fukking English.

Thats yours

Some shyt can’t be outsourced. The fact that your company even does that shows me they don’t really value IT

 

[NoMorePie]

Man cracked the code to get attention

 

[NZA]

Pawg (FBA) looks like some kind of new professional certification on LinkedIn

 

[RealCrownHeights]

I would look at companies doing well in this environment rather than specific tech skills. Your skills won't matter much in a terrible job market. The people with lots of industry experience to go along with tech skills aren't having as hard a time. I've never seen so many highly technical people shown the door before. What kind of networking events have you attended?

I'm a recruiter at a law firm that recruits for all non legal roles at the firm. I've actually hired a fair amount of people for the different IT teams since I been here and I've built a rapport with some of the managers. I've hired the : End-User Computing Engineering Sr. Engineer, Information Security Operations, Sr. Engineer and not to mention I interviewed and selected a summer intern who just graduated in May and got the IT Application Development job. Fresh out of college, and her salary is damn near almost mine, and she's fully remote. I go in 4 days, my job isn't bad but I want more.


All the hiring managers gave me advice and my job is really good with internal promotion and transitioning teams, but unless they really really like me, my skills have to match up. As a recruiter, I can see everyone's resume's and certs and I don't have any of that. I also applied for the SAN's cyber institute last year and this year. Last year made it to the final stage and didn't get selected. This year, didn't even get past the test.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yea thanks. I know it's a subset. Imma just be honest, I just want to do whatever sector of IT that pays well, is fully remote, has a market for it and the requirements to get in aren't too strenuous.

Weather that be cloud, coding etc. I know I most likely won't love what I'm doing, but If I like it enough and it gets me what I need, I can tolerate that. I'm not gonna be in the NBA or be a rich DJ which is really my passion lol.

I can put the work in, like I have multiple Sec+/Net + Textbooks and started multiple labs on Try Hack me, but no job experience.

Thats the thing, thats why A lot of people try to get in it but don’t stay in it or can’t

You actually got to kinda like this shyt. It’s boring, it’s dry, but if you like an understand something better than something else, thats probably the direction you should go

IT is a thankless job. Got to enjoy it somehow though. Me, I always enjoyed building or fixing shyt which led me here but could’ve landed me in many other directions as well.

 

[No Homo]

Yea thanks. I know it's a subset. Imma just be honest, I just want to do whatever sector of IT that pays well, is fully remote, has a market for it and the requirements to get in aren't too strenuous.

Weather that be cloud, coding etc. I know I most likely won't love what I'm doing, but If I like it enough and it gets me what I need, I can tolerate that. I'm not gonna be in the NBA or be a rich DJ which is really my passion lol.

I can put the work in, like I have multiple Sec+/Net + Textbooks and started multiple labs on Try Hack me, but no job experience.

Honestly, if you're in it just for that, try something else. You're gonna drive yourself crazy because it is also constant learning.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

And even with all that, it’s never enough

People have to think of IT as in it’s a lot of moving parts… you have to specialize in something

Cyber is just a subset of IT that has it’s own subset of subsets. Just pick a direction you like and go for it. Don’t need to know or read code to be in cyber. It helps, but it’s not needed not even to be in IT. IT in itself is it’s own language and every subset has it’s own language and terminology, so impossible to know and do everything.

Security will always be there because the tech is always growing

It comes down to two things. Personality and training

Most jobs don't want to waste hours training people. And this is across a lot of industries. They want to plug and play new hires. Nobody wants to train people because it takes away from their other workload, or they may be perceived as a threat. Personality goes along with culture. If your personality doesn't fit, then it's going to eventually be an issue.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

Yea thanks. I know it's a subset. Imma just be honest, I just want to do whatever sector of IT that pays well, is fully remote, has a market for it and the requirements to get in aren't too strenuous.

Weather that be cloud, coding etc. I know I most likely won't love what I'm doing, but If I like it enough and it gets me what I need, I can tolerate that. I'm not gonna be in the NBA or be a rich DJ which is really my passion lol.

I can put the work in, like I have multiple Sec+/Net + Textbooks and started multiple labs on Try Hack me, but no job experience.

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[RealCrownHeights]

Honestly, if you're in it just for that, try something else. You're gonna drive yourself crazy because it is also constant learning.

I got no other choice. All the high paying professions I have no interest in. With IT, I use it everyday and I don't mind the learning aspect. But to say I would love it or it's my passion would be a lie. But passion is for women and kids, I need to have a nice life.