People Prefer Vaccination Advice From Random Internet Commenters (Rather Than, Say, Experts)

[tru_m.a.c]

Actually I do and knew that, I thought I heard stories about science working on a permanent flu vaccine, citing t cells and shyt. If not I'll take my l and keep it moving...

CDC and other public health laboratories around the world have been sequencing the genes of influenza viruses since the 1980s. Today, such gene sequences are compiled in databases for use by public health researchers, such as GenBank and the Global Initiative on Sharing Avian Influenza Data (GISAID). The resulting libraries of gene sequences allow CDC and other laboratories to compare the genes of currently circulating influenza viruses with the genes of older influenza viruses and viruses used in vaccines. Through this process of comparing genetic sequences, called genetic characterization, CDC can make informed assumptions regarding:

• How flu viruses are ‘related’ to one another
• How flu viruses are evolving
• The genetic variations (a.k.a., substitutions or mutations) that appear when viruses begin spreading more easily, causing more-severe disease, or developing resistance to antiviral drugs
• How well an influenza flu vaccine might protect against a particular influenza virus
• Adaptations in influenza viruses circulating in animal populations that may enable the virus to infect humans.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/laboratory/genetic-characterization.htm

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/scientists-edge-closer-universal-flu-vaccine

Unfortunately, as is the case this year, mismatches often occur, and even when scientists manage to accurately predict the strain, the vaccines are often not very effective. These problems could be solved with the advent of one size fits all “universal” vaccines that protect against a number of flu strains, but so far this has eluded scientists. Now, however,new research suggests that scientists could be tantalizingly close to achieving this, with the discovery of a class of antibodies that are capable of neutralizing a broad range of influenza A viruses.

 

[tmonster]

There are no non-vaccinated autistic children.

 

[CHL]

Unvaccinated Children with Autism
We don't hear about these children very often, but there are certainly unvaccinated children with autism.

In Japan, a 2005 study, "No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study," researchers found that the incidence of autism "rose progressively" even after the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country over concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.

Remember, MMR is the vaccine that Jenny McCarthy called the 'autism shot' on Oprah in 2007, the vaccine that Wakefield published a study about, only to have his study retracted and his medical license revoked because his "conduct was irresponsible and dishonest", and that Dr. Bob Sears advised parents to split up and delay in what many people describe as an anti-vaccine book.

But that's just one vaccine, there are also many examples of completely unvaccinated children who have developed autism.

Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn't though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:

I must admit that it was through conversations with a coworker that I began to suspect something might be wrong with my youngest son. It concerned me so much that I started looking for information online. I read some of the stories and they sounded similar to what I was experiencing with my son – with the symptoms, the regression and the age at which it all started to become apparent.
In a more common scenario, a parent might have an autistic child and decide to not vaccine their next child.

Are these children protected?

These unvaccinated children are certainly not protected against vaccine-preventable diseases and they aren't at any less risk for developing autism.

A study that was published in the February 2014 issue of Autism, "Immunization uptake in younger siblings of children with autism spectrum disorder," found that "the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups."

And not surprisingly, there are many more stories like this.

For example, the Autism Science Foundation highlights this common scenario:

Tina Brown, mother of 2 boys with autism, decided not to vaccinate son Dylan because his brother Dalton had been inoculated and was subsequently diagnosed with autism. Sadly, even in the absence of vaccines Dylan demonstrated symptoms of autism at 4 months of age.
An author and contributor to what is considered one of the most anti-vaccine websites there is also has a totally unvaccinated child with autism. Did that make her think about changing her views on vaccines? Although you would certainly think it would, as it has for other parents, it seems like she simply went from blaming her child's vaccines to blaming those that she had gotten even before she was pregnant.

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/autism/fl/Unvaccinated-Children-with-Autism.htm

@thekingsmen Why are you ignoring this post you delusional troll?

 

[thekingsmen]

Since I haven't been on in a minute because of a old ass busted computer and an actual life. Im addressing all of you...

1. With all the studies by these articles you have posted why hasn't the CDC addressed any of those issues to Congress during the recorded hearings? If they can't answer some of the simplest questions that they claim to have the answers to why are they representing Pro-Vaccines?

2. Is it obvious that Gov't and Corporations go hand and hand? How does science and facts triumphantly stand alone when CDC heads become lobbyists for Vaccine corporations and vice versa?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/12/21/us-merck-gerberding-idUSTRE5BK2K520091221

3. How do you trust science and facts to stand alone when the Corporations are doing illegal things? http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/pfize...penalty-resolve-foreign-bribery-investigation

4. How do you trust science and facts to stand alone when the same Vac Corps is paying doctors to push and speak for their products? http://www.merck.com/corporate-resp...ics-transparency/3Q09-Transparency-Report.pdf

http://www.fiercebiotech.com/press-releases/merck-statement-u-s-speaker-fees

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janine-r-wedel/-is-your-doctor-on-big-ph_b_5952044.html

5. Why Pro-Vaccine supporters don't read the officials own words and continue to be blinded by their claims of safety? from the CDC website.


Vaccine Side Effects/Risks
Other topics related to Parents: Making the Vaccine Decision

• Vaccines and Your Child's Immune System
• How Vaccines Prevent Disease
• Vaccine Side Effects
• Vaccine Ingredients
• Ensuring Vaccine Safety

Like any medication, vaccines, can cause side effects. The most common side effects are mild. On the other hand, many vaccine-preventable disease symptoms can be serious, or even deadly.

Common substances found in vaccines include:

• Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.
• Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
• Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
• Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
• Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
• Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

For children with a prior history of allergic reactions to any of these substances in vaccines, parents should consult their child’s healthcare provider before vaccination.

Since parents realize that their children are having allergic reactions to the poisons, why should they continue to give their child stuff they are allergic to?


Toxic vaccine ingredients and their adverse effects:
• Bovine cow serum: Extracted from cow skin. When injected causes connective tissue disorders, arthritis and lupus; also shortness of breath, low blood pressure, chest pain and skin reactions.

• Sorbitol: Synthetic sweetener which metabolizes very slowly and aggravates IBS and gastrointestinal issues.

• Gelatin: Derived from the collagen inside animals' skin and bones. Injecting gelatin poses the risk of infection from synthetic growth hormones and BSE infectivity (mad cow disease).

• Sodium chloride: Raises blood pressure and inhibits muscle contraction and growth.

• Egg protein: Vaccines are prepared in eggs (certainly not organic). May contain growth hormones, antibiotics, and salmonella bacteria.

• Thimerosal: A neurotoxic mercury which causes autism: There are 25 mcg in one average flu vaccine, and the EPA safety limit is 5 micrograms, so children who are vaccinated simultaneously with multiple* vaccines receive over 10 times the safety limit of mercury in one day.

• Human albumin: The protein portion of blood from pooled human venous plasma; when injected causes fever, chills, hives, rash, headache, nausea, breathing difficulty, and rapid heart rate. Injecting "pooled blood" can result in a loss of body cell mass and cause immunodeficiency virus infection, or contain SV40, AIDS, cancer or Hepatitis B from drug addicts.

• Formaldehyde: Highly carcinogenic fluid used to embalm corpses. Ranked one of the most hazardous compounds to human health; can cause liver damage, gastrointestinal issues, reproductive deformation, respiratory distress and cancer. Plus, formaldehyde has been known to fail to deactivate the virus the vaccine is intended to cure, thus enabling a live virus to enter your blood and infect your system.

• Phenoxyethanol: A glycol ether/chemical; highly toxic to the nervous system, kidneys, and liver. The FDA warns "can cause shut down of the central nervous system (CNS), vomiting and contact dermatitis" in cosmetics; imagine when injected into your blood.

• Aluminum phosphate: Greatly increases toxicity of mercury, so caution about minimum mercury tolerance is therefore severely underestimated. CDC scientists and all doctors are well aware of this.

• MSG (monosodium glutamate): When injected becomes a neurotoxin, causing CNS disorders and brain damage in children.

And you wonder why there are so many people we know with auto-immune and neurological damage done to the bodies .

Doctors who spoke on vaccinations both for and against it...

 

[tmonster]

Since I haven't been on in a minute because of a old ass busted computer and an actual life. Im addressing all of you...

1. With all the studies by these articles you have posted why hasn't the CDC addressed any of those issues to Congress during the recorded hearings? If they can't answer some of the simplest questions that they claim to have the answers to why are they representing Pro-Vaccines?

2. Is it obvious that Gov't and Corporations go hand and hand? How does science and facts triumphantly stand alone when CDC heads become lobbyists for Vaccine corporations and vice versa?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/12/21/us-merck-gerberding-idUSTRE5BK2K520091221

3. How do you trust science and facts to stand alone when the Corporations are doing illegal things? http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/pfize...penalty-resolve-foreign-bribery-investigation

4. How do you trust science and facts to stand alone when the same Vac Corps is paying doctors to push and speak for their products? http://www.merck.com/corporate-resp...ics-transparency/3Q09-Transparency-Report.pdf

http://www.fiercebiotech.com/press-releases/merck-statement-u-s-speaker-fees

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janine-r-wedel/-is-your-doctor-on-big-ph_b_5952044.html

5. Why Pro-Vaccine supporters don't read the officials own words and continue to be blinded by their claims of safety? from the CDC website.


Vaccine Side Effects/Risks
Other topics related to Parents: Making the Vaccine Decision

• Vaccines and Your Child's Immune System
• How Vaccines Prevent Disease
• Vaccine Side Effects
• Vaccine Ingredients
• Ensuring Vaccine Safety

Like any medication, vaccines, can cause side effects. The most common side effects are mild. On the other hand, many vaccine-preventable disease symptoms can be serious, or even deadly.

Common substances found in vaccines include:

• Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.
• Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
• Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
• Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
• Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
• Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

For children with a prior history of allergic reactions to any of these substances in vaccines, parents should consult their child’s healthcare provider before vaccination.

Since parents realize that their children are having allergic reactions to the poisons, why should they continue to give their child stuff they are allergic to?


Toxic vaccine ingredients and their adverse effects:
• Bovine cow serum: Extracted from cow skin. When injected causes connective tissue disorders, arthritis and lupus; also shortness of breath, low blood pressure, chest pain and skin reactions.

• Sorbitol: Synthetic sweetener which metabolizes very slowly and aggravates IBS and gastrointestinal issues.

• Gelatin: Derived from the collagen inside animals' skin and bones. Injecting gelatin poses the risk of infection from synthetic growth hormones and BSE infectivity (mad cow disease).

• Sodium chloride: Raises blood pressure and inhibits muscle contraction and growth.

• Egg protein: Vaccines are prepared in eggs (certainly not organic). May contain growth hormones, antibiotics, and salmonella bacteria.

• Thimerosal: A neurotoxic mercury which causes autism: There are 25 mcg in one average flu vaccine, and the EPA safety limit is 5 micrograms, so children who are vaccinated simultaneously with multiple* vaccines receive over 10 times the safety limit of mercury in one day.

• Human albumin: The protein portion of blood from pooled human venous plasma; when injected causes fever, chills, hives, rash, headache, nausea, breathing difficulty, and rapid heart rate. Injecting "pooled blood" can result in a loss of body cell mass and cause immunodeficiency virus infection, or contain SV40, AIDS, cancer or Hepatitis B from drug addicts.

• Formaldehyde: Highly carcinogenic fluid used to embalm corpses. Ranked one of the most hazardous compounds to human health; can cause liver damage, gastrointestinal issues, reproductive deformation, respiratory distress and cancer. Plus, formaldehyde has been known to fail to deactivate the virus the vaccine is intended to cure, thus enabling a live virus to enter your blood and infect your system.

• Phenoxyethanol: A glycol ether/chemical; highly toxic to the nervous system, kidneys, and liver. The FDA warns "can cause shut down of the central nervous system (CNS), vomiting and contact dermatitis" in cosmetics; imagine when injected into your blood.

• Aluminum phosphate: Greatly increases toxicity of mercury, so caution about minimum mercury tolerance is therefore severely underestimated. CDC scientists and all doctors are well aware of this.

• MSG (monosodium glutamate): When injected becomes a neurotoxin, causing CNS disorders and brain damage in children.

And you wonder why there are so many people we know with auto-immune and neurological damage done to the bodies .

Doctors who spoke on vaccinations both for and against it...

phew...that's a lot of reading breh...






























but uhm....
sorry breh you can't give no one homework until you explain this

There are no non-vaccinated autistic children.

you discredited yourself wholly with that fukkery
I just can't take homework from a guy tossing that kind of fukkery, always been like that, it's a tmonster trait

 

[hashmander]

his homework will make you dumber.

 

[tmonster]

his homework will make you dumber.

 

[thekingsmen]

his homework will make you dumber.

I don't take you or your troll crew serious.

 

[thekingsmen]

phew...that's a lot of reading breh...






























but uhm....
sorry breh you can't give no one homework until you explain this




















you discredited yourself wholly with that fukkery
I just can't take homework from a guy tossing that kind of fukkery, always been like that, it's a tmonster trait

How does a troll discredit me? You don't do any research, you come in and respond with smilies and you don't read anything. Good thing you trolls don't have children.

 

[shhh-kull & bones]

How does a troll discredit me? You don't do any research, you come in and respond with smilies and you don't read anything. Good thing you trolls don't have children.

....yeah these ignorant clowns keep thinking its a joke....but dont worry man...
there are folks out here who are appreciative of your productive contribution to the discussion...

I am personally gonna put each of those joker/trolls on ignore....these guys have reduced themselves to the level of human varmint and should not even be given any time of day



anyway I found a recent disturbing clip about the effects of vaccines on black boys....let me know your thoughts on it

cause right now that whole vaccination industry is looking like one of the greatest criminal frauds of all time

 

[CHL]

TKM calling anyone else a troll is some real Orwellian shyt

 

[BlaKcMoney]

I don't take you or your troll crew serious.

i learned not to respond to people who just want to throw questions at you. They will always come up with another question to try and cast doubt no matter what you post and these people never offer any enlightening discourse or information. Just post the information you feel people need to know and ignore the losers who try to use ignorant and bitter skepticism to discredit the truth. The people its meant for will understand but you have people on these boards who are just here to try and discredit good info and posters so don't worry about them, just post your info and keep it moving, don't go back and forth with clowns.

 

[tmonster]

How does a troll discredit me? You don't do any research, you come in and respond with smilies and you don't read anything. Good thing you trolls don't have children.

 

[tmonster]

TKM calling anyone else a troll is some real Orwellian shyt

the mind boggles ...............................

 

[tmonster]

"Dr".wakefield opens the video