Peter King: GMs hesitant on mobile QBs

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NYC Rebel said:
12 years? Oh...you're still hurt.

Your question was obvious. Who in here needs this spelled out with this dumb ass parentified question:



I didn't alter shyt...just asked you who in here is dumb enough to not understand this that you need to address this?

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Then you pose this "it seems to me" argument when I've been more than clear on my points. So rather than debating with yourself...let me copy/paste what I've already said so you can respond to.

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NOTHING like it. And the difference between Tebow criticism is that it was labeled to Tebow and Tebow ALONE. Tebow wasnt used as a springboard to smear mobile quartebackssssssssss. Which goes to show AGAIN that you lack the mental capacity to accept the conversation here directed by Peter King who lumped black qbs to the failure of "mobile QUARTERBACKSSSSSSSS".

Plural if you're short if thinking as you have proven over and over again in this thread

You simply don't WANT
TO GET IT
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LOL you're infuriated

I addressed all your points. "Pocket QBs" don't get boxed in because "pocket passing" is the job of the NFL QB. You're essentially asking janitors who are good at cleaning to be questioned because some janitors suck at cleaning. But if a janitor got hired because he was great at basketball then turned out to be a shytty janitor, then you'd think twice before hiring a janitor again because he's good at basketball. It's common sense.

You even said yourself it is so painfully obvious that NFL QBs need to pass from the pocket. So why in god's name would anyone "box" them in if one fails? If one fails, it means his skills weren't up to par, not because his style is flawed. If his style was flawed, my point about QBs needing to pass from the pocket wouldn't be so painfully obvious, would it? Pick where you want to go with this and go there. Don't argue with me just to argue, because you know damn well I haven't been wrong yet in this thread.

Like I said, you can make it racial and I won't argue with it. I don't claim to know the intentions of every beat writer and analyst individually but I am 100% sure some of them have racial biases. That is as painfully obvious as knowing QBs need to pass from the pocket.

So I'm trying to move beyond that and talk about the non-racial reality of the game, which is that it will weed you out if you don't have the skills, and it won't weed you out if you do.

There are QBs in every combination of black/white/mobile/non-mobile that both suck and are good. They have one thing in common and we know what it is, regardless of the media's racial agenda.

Now, if you want to talk about if some COACHES have a racial agenda and will sacrifice the good of the team and the development of a player because of his race, then THAT is a discussion that could actually impact what's going on. But if any coach truly believes he has the man for the job and sacrifices him to the media gods, then that coach should be fired immediately.
 
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Reggie Rhodes said:
There's obviously a racial element to the notion of "mobile qbs" vs "pocket passer qbs", but the argument @resurrection has made is fundamentally sound. Racists will use it to say "See, blacks can't play qb!" but as he has pointed out, this has nothing to do with race. The reason mobile qbs aren't extended the same courtesy as pocket qbs when it comes to failing is because although many pocket qbs have failed, many have succeeded. Most of the greatest qbs in the history of the game have done it from the pocket. Whereas mobile qbs are somewhat of a novelty. Yes, Tarkenton and Young are in the HOF and many of their greatest exploits have come from scrambling, but the reason they had success in this league is because they could consistently do it from the pocket. The nature of a mainly mobile qb means that they're more likely to not learn the skills needed to do it from the pocket because their athleticism has masked it until they get to the NFL. Even great mobile qbs like McNabb and Young have said as much.
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All QBs need the same thing to succeed in the NFL...decision making, accuracy, ability to read defenses. Whether they are a pocket passer or a more mobile guy if they don't have these things they ain't gonna make it. Therefore that's where the focus and scrutiny should be, not whether they are a mobile guy or a more traditional pocket guy. Pocket QBs have been given far more chances for far more years than mobile guys so to use sheer number of successes to compare the two is silly. To say this has nothing to do with race when the majority of the mobile QBs are black and the guys singled out in the piece were black while the likes of Jake Locker or Mark Sanchez just need the right system is intellectually dishonest.
 
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resurrection said:
Bro I already addressed those guys specifically a couple posts back wtf

Those guys aren't left out of the "running QBs" convo because they're white. They're left out because they have elite level QB skills before you even take the mobility into account. You want a black example? How about Donovan McNabb and Randall Cunningham. Those guys had elite level QB skills before you even consider their mobility. They just happened to be mobile which made them better. I said in my first post I'd draft guys like that, no questions asked. Them being mobile is only a plus.

If you can't tell the difference between a great passer who just happens to be mobile and a great athlete who just happens to play QB, I don't know what to tell ya.
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You just said "I've been watching football far too long to take a mobile QB high in the draft."

Luck and Rodgers are mobile. So you're saying you wouldn't take them.

McNabb and Cunningham were mobile too. Mobile has NOTHING to do with passing. You don't see what you're doing?
 
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resurrection said:
LOL you're infuriated

I addressed all your points. "Pocket QBs" don't get boxed in because "pocket passing" is the job of the NFL QB. You're essentially asking janitors who are good at cleaning to be questioned because some janitors suck at cleaning. But if a janitor got hired because he was great at basketball then turned out to be a shytty janitor, then you'd think twice before hiring a janitor again because he's good at basketball. It's common sense.

You even said yourself it is so painfully obvious that NFL QBs need to pass from the pocket. So why in god's name would anyone "box" them in if one fails? If one fails, it means his skills weren't up to par, not because his style is flawed. If his style was flawed, my point about QBs needing to pass from the pocket wouldn't be so painfully obvious, would it? Pick where you want to go with this and go there. Don't argue with me just to argue, because you know damn well I haven't been wrong yet in this thread.

Like I said, you can make it racial and I won't argue with it. I don't claim to know the intentions of every beat writer and analyst individually but I am 100% sure some of them have racial biases. That is as painfully obvious as knowing QBs need to pass from the pocket.

So I'm trying to move beyond that and talk about the non-racial reality of the game, which is that it will weed you out if you don't have the skills, and it won't weed you out if you do.

There are QBs in every combination of black/white/mobile/non-mobile that both suck and are good. They have one thing in common and we know what it is, regardless of the media's racial agenda.

Now, if you want to talk about if some COACHES have a racial agenda and will sacrifice the good of the team and the development of a player because of his race, then THAT is a discussion that could actually impact what's going on. But if any coach truly believes he has the man for the job and sacrifices him to the media gods, then that coach should be fired immediately.
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I'm not interested in debating my emotional state considering I just got off the horn speaking on this real life Eric Garner thing going on in NYC. You're not moving me.

Having the ability to throw in the pocket.....is this a discovery you've made that I just found? That's common sense. Spelling out the obvious over and over over again is you convincing yourself you're responding to me.

Again....to completely IGNORE the boxing in and bias towards mobile qbs face, as CLEARLY STATED by Peter King and others, is YOUR shortcoming here that I'm addressing.

I'll repeat:

And the difference between Tebow criticism is that it was labeled to Tebow and Tebow ALONE. Tebow wasnt used as a springboard to smear the genre of mobile quartebackssssssssss.

Cam is.

RGIII is.

Russell Wilson is.

Which goes to show AGAIN that you lack the mental capacity to accept the conversation here directed by Peter King who lumped black qbs to the failure of "mobile QUARTERBACKSSSSSSSS".

Plural if you're short of thinking as you have proven over and over again in this thread

You simply don't WANT
TO GET IT
 
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NYC Rebel said:
I'm not interested in debating my emotional state considering I just got off the horn speaking on this real life Eric Garner thing going on in NYC. You're not moving me.

Having the ability to throw in the pocket.....is this a discovery you've made that I just found? That's common sense. Spelling out the obvious over and over over again is you convincing yourself you're responding to me.

Again....to completely IGNORE the boxing in and bias towards mobile qbs face, as CLEARLY STATED by Peter King and others, is YOUR shortcoming here that I'm addressing.

I'll repeat:

And the difference between Tebow criticism is that it was labeled to Tebow and Tebow ALONE. Tebow wasnt used as a springboard to smear the genre of mobile quartebackssssssssss.

Cam is.

RGIII is.

Russell Wilson is.

Which goes to show AGAIN that you lack the mental capacity to accept the conversation here directed by Peter King who lumped black qbs to the failure of "mobile QUARTERBACKSSSSSSSS".

Plural if you're short of thinking as you have proven over and over again in this thread

You simply don't WANT
TO GET IT
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But to me, Tebow, Jordan Lynch, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, etc. are POSTER CHILDREN for why "mobile QUARTERBACKSSSSSSSS" suck in the NFL. They should absolutely be held up as shining examples of the genre. And that's what YOU'RE not getting. I have my OWN view of the situation, regardless of what you think Peter King thinks. So whatever you are mad at him for, save that for him.
 
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resurrection said:
But to me, Tebow, Jordan Lynch, Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, etc. are POSTER CHILDREN for why "mobile QUARTERBACKSSSSSSSS" suck in the NFL. They should absolutely be held up as shining examples of the genre. And that's what YOU'RE not getting. I have my OWN view of the situation, regardless of what you think Peter King thinks. So whatever you are mad at him for, save that for him.
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Scott Frost never saw a snap at qb in the NFL. The only first rounder on that list is Tim Tebow... Yet Tim didn't have "see....this is why GMs fear taking mobile qbs" arguments tied to him. YOURE doing the tying in here...it wasn't some overriding sentiment that he was the face of change at the position who fell short. Never. Why even make that up?

This thread is about Peter King reflecting a sentiment so wide that a slate magazine had to write an article tying mathematical proofs to debunk lies about the injury prone nature of mobile qbs. You have a clear case exhibited by Peter King yet you want to tie Eric Crouch, Jordan Lynch and other non descripts to this argument?? :mindblown: That's like me bringing up random black nobody college running qbs. Why would I be stupid enough to do that?
 
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