Peter King: GMs hesitant on mobile QBs

[resurrection]

What about "pocket passers" who didn't have it? Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Kyle Boller... Why didn't the NFL talk shying away from pocket passers after those busts? If a guy is lighting up college football at a flawless pace, who's to say they can't pass until they get exposed in the NFL?

You pretend race doesn't matter but you're living in fantasy land or not being honest with yourself. When they say "running QB" they mean black QB.

Yeah they suck too! Nobody says they don't. And there are lots of pocket passers who were great in college but couldn't do it in the NFL (Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Kliff Kingsbury). Why? Because they played in systems designed for them to play pitch and catch 50 times a game to wide open guys so they put up silly numbers. Other guys play in pro style systems and do well based on their physical attributes but their mental mastery of the game isn't there (or vice versa - see Chad Pennington who could never quite be elite despite having great QB skills because he had a noodle arm) so they flame. But look at the teams who consistently win and look at their QBs. Of course "pocket passers" don't get criticized for being pocket passers because pocket passers win in the NFL. They get criticized for being dumb, inaccurate, or inconsistent.

And I'm not denying that race matters for a lot of people. I'm sure it does. But I've been watching football for far too long to sit here and say I'd take a "mobile QB" with a high pick if I were the GM of a team, regardless of his race. Show me what he can do when his mobility is taken away, as it undoubtedly will be in the league, and then we'll talk. And my point, which most of y'all are missing, is that most of these guys are unable to show and prove when the mobility is taken away because they have always leaned on it as a crutch. Just like the "big arm cannon" guys have. That's all I'm saying.

 

[resurrection]

RGIII is in his third year and was rookie of the year has been to the playoff as many times as Cutler

Kaep stopped running they didn't adjust first of all, I don't know why the stopped running the read option in the first place NO ONES EVER STOPPED IT

his team still has a winning record, Drew Brees team doesn't

Kaepernick is his third year and nearly went to the super bowl

Carson Palmer has never been close to super bowl, this is the first year it looked like he could do something in the playoofs and he gets hurt

All those guys you mention never played on teams as good as Culter or Carson, except for Kaep and he nearly made it to the super bowl

Yeah and RGIII will be out of the league in two years because he has horrific pocket presence. Kaep has a solid arm but he's not elite. He's just a guy without his feet and he can't lean on it. If something works, guys in the NFL don't just "stop doing it". He doesn't run because it's not sustainable long term. And he wins a shyt ton because he's on one of the best teams with one of the best defenses and best head coaches.

Carson Palmer has been through catastrophic injury after catastrophic injury and STILL had a starting job in the league this year on the team with the best record in the league until he went down. He played his prime years on the fukking Bungles for Christ sake, of course he hasn't won anything. The one year he had his best chance, he got injured in the first quarter of the first playoff game so the team tanked. I'll take prime Carson Palmer over Kaep right now any day of the week and I'll bet every GM in the league would agree with me.

 

[dennis roadman]

I'm really close to a complete personal boycott of NFL and college football...I haven't been to a live game in years and my viewership his decreased by almost 75% this year.. I didn't watch once second of the games this past Thanksgiving...The proud Black man in me can't continue feeding this system..

yes, yes, YES



dont forget to forbid your kids and young family members from playing

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah they suck too! Nobody says they don't. And there are lots of pocket passers who were great in college but couldn't do it in the NFL (Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Kliff Kingsbury). Why? Because they played in systems designed for them to play pitch and catch 50 times a game to wide open guys so they put up silly numbers. Other guys play in pro style systems and do well based on their physical attributes but their mental mastery of the game isn't there (or vice versa - see Chad Pennington who could never quite be elite despite having great QB skills because he had a noodle arm) so they flame. But look at the teams who consistently win and look at their QBs. Of course "pocket passers" don't get criticized for being pocket passers because pocket passers win in the NFL. They get criticized for being dumb, inaccurate, or inconsistent.

And I'm not denying that race matters for a lot of people. I'm sure it does. But I've been watching football for far too long to sit here and say I'd take a "mobile QB" with a high pick if I were the GM of a team, regardless of his race. Show me what he can do when his mobility is taken away, as it undoubtedly will be in the league, and then we'll talk. And my point, which most of y'all are missing, is that most of these guys are unable to show and prove when the mobility is taken away because they have always leaned on it as a crutch. Just like the "big arm cannon" guys have. That's all I'm saying.

But how can you know what he can do "without his mobility" if he has it?

Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers are mobile QB's. Their mobility is only a plus. Mobility can make a good QB great just like it can make a below average QB average.

So you would have passed on Luck and Rodgers simply because they have something extra that actually improves them?

Those guys aren't mentioned with "running QB's" because they're not "traditional running QB's" ie black.

 

[resurrection]

But how can you know what he can do "without his mobility" if he has it?

Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers are mobile QB's. Their mobility is only a plus. Mobility can make a good QB great just like it can make a below average QB average.

So you would have passed on Luck and Rodgers simply because they have something extra that actually improves them?

Those guys aren't mentioned with "running QB's" because they're not "traditional running QB's" ie black.

Bro I already addressed those guys specifically a couple posts back wtf

Those guys aren't left out of the "running QBs" convo because they're white. They're left out because they have elite level QB skills before you even take the mobility into account. You want a black example? How about Donovan McNabb and Randall Cunningham. Those guys had elite level QB skills before you even consider their mobility. They just happened to be mobile which made them better. I said in my first post I'd draft guys like that, no questions asked. Them being mobile is only a plus.

If you can't tell the difference between a great passer who just happens to be mobile and a great athlete who just happens to play QB, I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

They're slick they no white qbs are going extinct and are scared to death so they are gonna try to sabotage black qbs whether it be on the field or through the media

These "mobile qbs"have not been taught properly on purpose because they don't want them to suceed

Rg3 is every bit as talented as a Rodgers but they will never let him reach that level

 

[USSInsiders]

How are people going to have the nerve to call people corny but come up with awful cheesy ass nicknames like that?

I agree, Cornball Brother was always the GOAT nickname for cornball

 

[Master Teacher]

Yeah and RGIII will be out of the league in two years because he has horrific pocket presence. Kaep has a solid arm but he's not elite. He's just a guy without his feet and he can't lean on it. If something works, guys in the NFL don't just "stop doing it". He doesn't run because it's not sustainable long term. And he wins a shyt ton because he's on one of the best teams with one of the best defenses and best head coaches.

Carson Palmer has been through catastrophic injury after catastrophic injury and STILL had a starting job in the league this year on the team with the best record in the league until he went down. He played his prime years on the fukking Bungles for Christ sake, of course he hasn't won anything. The one year he had his best chance, he got injured in the first quarter of the first playoff game so the team tanked. I'll take prime Carson Palmer over Kaep right now any day of the week and I'll bet every GM in the league would agree with me.

RGIII has terrible pocket presence put his stats were better than tannehills last year and he's only played three games

RGIII willed a garbage team to the playofffs, Carson Palmers never did that

the BUNGELS

the same team Carson Palmer quit on Andy Dalton took to the playoffs

 

[resurrection]

RGIII has terrible pocket presence put his stats were better than tannehills last year and he's only played three games

RGIII willed a garbage team to the playofffs, Carson Palmers never did that

the BUNGELS

the same team Carson Palmer quit on Andy Dalton took to the playoffs

Palmer took the Bungles to the playoffs

 

[resurrection]

They're slick they no white qbs are going extinct and are scared to death so they are gonna try to sabotage black qbs whether it be on the field or through the media

These "mobile qbs"have not been taught properly on purpose because they don't want them to suceed

Rg3 is every bit as talented as a Rodgers but they will never let him reach that level

 

[Master Teacher]

Palmer took the Bungles to the playoffs

The last time he was in the playoff was 09 you retard

He quit on the bengals and Andy Dalton took the same team to the playoffs

he's been to the playoffs twice and hes been in the league 11 years

so what does he get to fail season after season

but RGIII has to be out the league

Kap hasn't even had a losing yet, but since he's struggling he all of sudden sucks ow

when plenty of other QBs have struggled

Drew Brees wasn't shyt until he hooked up sean peyton

 

[mrken12]

I agree, Cornball Brother was always the GOAT nickname for cornball

No it wasn't.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Will you continue to post absent of acknowledging that mobile qbs that struggle bear a bigger grouping bias than the mountain failed pocket passers?

 

[resurrection]

The last time he was in the playoff was 09 you retard

So Carson Palmer did take the Bengals to the playoffs? So I was right? How does that make me retarded again?

He quit on the bengals and Andy Dalton took the same team to the playoffs

he's been to the playoffs twice and hes been in the league 11 years

so what does he get to fail season after season

but RGIII has to be out the league

Kap hasn't even had a losing yet, but since he's struggling he all of sudden sucks ow

when plenty of other QBs have struggled

Drew Brees wasn't shyt until he hooked up sean peyton

Carson Palmer isn't some elite QB either, don't get it twisted. I'm just saying I'd take him in his prime over Kaepernick. And this year, well past his prime, he had the Cardinals at the best record in the league at like week 11. He's no Rodgers but he's no schlub either.

And I didn't say Kaep sucked, don't twist my words, I said he's just a guy without his running. And you can say "yeah but he has his running!" all you want, but like someone above said, he doesn't even do it that much anymore. Kaep's shining moment in the league, which was great no doubt, was when he lit the Packers up for like 180 yards rushing in a playoff game on his way to the NFC championship. Do you think that's ever going to happen again? Do you think he can build a career off doing that? Of course not. Why? Because it's not sustainable for long-term success in the NFL because linebackers and linemen are faster in the NFL and can bottle up a running QB when they are looking out for it. And yes, it also leads to injuries.

I don't see how the point is debatable. For mobile QBs, if you can't execute the functions of a pocket passing QB at an NFL level, it doesn't matter if you have the running skills of Adrian Peterson with the size of Megatron. It just makes you an athlete playing QB and would probably have been better off, at least for an NFL career, playing a different position all along. And a lot of the guys that get the hype are in this position, and that's why they fail. Not because of their situation, not because of their coach, not because they got screwed over somehow cosmically by the universe. Because they fukking suck at the skills required to play QB in the NFL.

McNabb, Cunningham, Tarkenton, Rodgers, Wilson, S. Young, Elway, etc are all the "polished QBs who just happened to be good athletes" category so they don't get the label even though they are very good runners in their own right.

 

[resurrection]

Will you continue to post absent of acknowledging that mobile qbs that struggle bear a bigger grouping bias than the mountain failed pocket passers?

Yeah it's true.

But that's because every "mobile QB" that has ever succeeded was a good pocket passer. Will you continue to post absent of acknowledging that NFL-level pocket passing, regardless of mobility, is required to succeed at QB in the NFL?

"Pocket passing" as a style has never been in question and never will be because it's a base requirement. Pocket passing is to playing QB as Microsoft Excel is to being a data analyst. Sure, a data analyst can be really good at building websites, and that makes him more versatile, but does that make him better at his core, every day function that he is paid to do? No.