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A neighborhood doesn't have to be expensive to be but let's also be realistic more times than not price is usually a sign of good stuff as far as neighborhoods. Hell if you want that just move to the Atl or places with a high black population you can find that. Gentrification usually happens because of opportunity. People's parents/grandparents buy the home pass it down and the kids don't take as good or care of the home, don't pay the property taxes, etc that makes it easy for someone to get a deal. You then have this happening a few more times then bam you got gentrification. I think most people like you only have a problem because it's white folks if it was mainly blacks doing the exact same thing would you really complain?

I agree loser socioeconomic people will steal and the like regardless of race but that's life and unfortunately not changing anytime soon. As long as you ageee about the more action less talk the other issue can usually ime be worked out.

The thing is, I don’t think black people would buy out a neighborhood, displace poor black residents and set up shop. Blacks as a whole normally care about people (which can be our downfall), whites only look at the investment.

I’m on my phone so I can’t say everything I want, but there are layers to improving the black community. Every time I feel I have a solution I could try on my own, I realize there was something I didn’t consider. It’s a huge problem.
 

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I agree with you, but that doesn’t change the fact the violence is there. Foreign store owners aren’t going to give our people the opportunities they deserve, not before their own. Just not gonna happen.

Agreed. For me the issue is -- we can't give our people any opps -- as we don't have the loans or support system foreigners have -- financially or physically (working for free - until profit).

My neighbors back home own two Starbucks and grocery stores -- they are Chaldean - all their children work at their stores and they hire other Chaldeans or White people... they do hire Black people - but the children of their Black "friends" they know. I say all that to say - the Starbucks are owned by the two youngest boys - and their dad put up the money and credit to help them get the two locations. What Black people you know can do that -- hence not bringing in opps.
 

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Agreed. For me the issue is -- we can't give our people any opps -- as we don't have the loans or support system foreigners have -- financially or physically (working for free - until profit).

My neighbors back home own two Starbucks and grocery stores -- they are Chaldean - all their children work at their stores and they hire other Chaldeans or White people... they do hire Black people - but the children of their Black "friends" they know. I say all that to say - the Starbucks are owned by the two youngest boys - and their dad put up the money and credit to help them get the two locations. What Black people you know can do that -- hence not bringing in opps.
We definitely have the money and opportunity to do it, but we have a history of conditioning where we can not trust each other. Foreign/Non American blacks have it “easy” in a way because their culture is still in tact. They have traditions, families and rituals to fall back on. Easier to come tougher with ideas, support and capital. American Blacks have to first establish trust and that’s hard! We can barely have children together without there being tension.
 

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We definitely have the money and opportunity to do it, but we have a history of conditioning where we can not trust each other. Foreign/Non American blacks have it “easy” in a way because their culture is still in tact. They have traditions, families and rituals to fall back on. Easier to come tougher with ideas, support and capital. American Blacks have to first establish trust and that’s hard! We can barely have children together without there being tension.

Sounds good but nah.

It's way more than trust and culture involved that stops progress and opp.
 

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The thing is, I don’t think black people would buy out a neighborhood, displace poor black residents and set up shop. Blacks as a whole normally care about people (which can be our downfall), whites only look at the investment.

I’m on my phone so I can’t say everything I want, but there are layers to improving the black community. Every time I feel I have a solution I could try on my own, I realize there was something I didn’t consider. It’s a huge problem.
Well my friend you may be naive then. I have people in Philly that do this and that's what happens. It's not on the level as whites but the truth is folks that are doing this are doing so for profit. If blacks cop cool and if a non black cops cool too. That's just what it is and if you did this you'd most likely become just like them in that aspect too. People end up going to another neighborhood and over time like I've said before that neighborhood becomes the new neighborhood for lower socioeconomic folks just like it was the opposite a few generations ago. It is a cycle that we may see again before we start to leave this planet.

I understand being on the phone and it getting everything out. I'm on mine also and face to face usually works better for these types of more detailed discussions. I think we agree for the most part with some disagreement here and there
 

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Well my friend you may be naive then. I have people in Philly that do this and that's what happens. It's not on the level as whites but the truth is folks that are doing this are doing so for profit. If blacks cop cool and if a non black cops cool too. That's just what it is and if you did this you'd most likely become just like them in that aspect too. People end up going to another neighborhood and over time like I've said before that neighborhood becomes the new neighborhood for lower socioeconomic folks just like it was the opposite a few generations ago. It is a cycle that we may see again before we start to leave this planet.

I understand being on the phone and it getting everything out. I'm on mine also and face to face usually works better for these types of more detailed discussions. I think we agree for the most part with some disagreement here and there
As long as we’re having the coversation and disagreeing in a mature manner, it’s fine with me. I wish I was at my laptop so I could explain more/better. I appreciate your and everyone’s perspective.
 

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Might be a lowkey way to get them scared Chinese and Arab folks to close up shop or to make them not want to think about opening up a shop in "dangerous black neighborhoods" .. :patrice:

Gotta make laws on some slick shyt :patrice:


you're half way there....


The REAL reason behind this bill is to have those owners too scared to operate forcing them to close down. Many are in bubbling neighborhoods either going through gentrification or about to......they close up show building gets rehaped or razed for new housing

Im tight with a lot of asian restaurant owners/influencers and im helping them spread the word.....but low key thats whats really going on.

If you also notice when a neighborhood is being gentrified the first thing to go are the basketball courts..
 

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you're half way there....


The REAL reason behind this bill is to have those owners too scared to operate forcing them to close down. Many are in bubbling neighborhoods either going through gentrification or about to......they close up show building gets rehaped or razed for new housing

Im tight with a lot of asian restaurant owners/influencers and im helping them spread the word.....but low key thats whats really going on.

If you also notice when a neighborhood is being gentrified the first thing to go are the basketball courts..

Bingo. Everybody getting played like a fiddle.
 
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You don't think there is a reason for that?

seriously - it’s not OK. People buying a order of hush puppies shouldn’t have to slide money under a clip then wait for the to rotate their box to get the order.

It’s not that deep. If other restaurants on that same street can not do that — they can as well.

It’s bias and we need to call this out. I don’t think we should be treated like animals to buy a two piece and some fries.
 

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you're half way there....


The REAL reason behind this bill is to have those owners too scared to operate forcing them to close down. Many are in bubbling neighborhoods either going through gentrification or about to......they close up show building gets rehaped or razed for new housing

Im tight with a lot of asian restaurant owners/influencers and im helping them spread the word.....but low key thats whats really going on.

If you also notice when a neighborhood is being gentrified the first thing to go are the basketball courts..
The basketball court thing ain't true at all. They still there in areas I know for a fact are gentrifying.
 

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The basketball court thing ain't true at all. They still there in areas I know for a fact are gentrifying.

Do you live in Philly ? Tell me where to find a court in northern liberties & Fishtown, graduate hospital, old city , queen village (maybe 1) society hill? I'm a licensed realtor i know this first hand ...
 
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