Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Malta]

you a fukk nikka. fukk the spurs.



Sunsvalley

I'm not a fan of any team :DripDrip:



You in your feelings, the bad man saying mean things about the fat ball stopper got you upset :Guidedtoislam:

 

[storyteller]

He's more likely to play the 5 off the bench because the Knicks don't have the money to get a quality starting big and a quality big off the bench, which would leave Kristaps in the position to play minutes at the 5 if he's not starting. The Knicks lack depth, center is the hardest position to find in the league.

Dirk started half the games that year and was playing almost 30mpg to close out the strike shortened season. Vucevic isn't an international player like the guys we're naming, he played 3 years at USC Again, I have more examples of foreign players getting a lot of minutes early and being successful, you named Bargnani to me naming Dirk, Parker, Ibaka and Giannis, shyt we can even take it to Yao too. I mean even the Jazz threw Exum into the fire last year and he clearly wasn't ready for it but it helps build confidence and lets them know exactly what it is they need to work on. I wouldn't give two shyts how he affects Melo, his development would be my priority considering I passed on Hezonja, Mudiay, Winslow etc.


Kristaps isn't ready to be a second or third option, but he should be playing with the starters, you have a 7'2-7'3" PF that is mobile, if you sign Greg Monroe he should be playing with him as the weakside defender just off the fact he's mobile as hell for his size and needs to learn how to defend. Also, Nerlens & Anthony Davis were both under 230lbs for their rookie seasons, you can get away with him being your starting PF as long as you have a center. There aren't that many physically imposing frontcourts in the NBA right now.

If the Knicks can't afford a back-up at C, I assume Amundson will end up being our undersized back up for the minimum (or Cole Aldrich since he played well with minutes). They're not just gonna put KP into a position he has no business in yet.

Dirk averaged 20 mpg as a rookie. The big minutes came when they were out of the playoffs. Alexey Shved averaged more minutes as a rookie and started 16 games, then spent the rest of his career benched til he got to the Knicks. The point of bringing up a Shved or Bargnani is to say, for any example of a player working out by getting extra minutes...there are plenty who didn't. Marko Jaric ring a bell? More mpg then Dirk, got starts...didn't do much. I could also point out cats like Goran Dragic, who spent years playing limited minutes in back-up roles but developed into stars. The point isn't that giving KP a ton of minutes is definitely a failure, just that there are multiple ways to develop a player successfully and forcing him into extra minutes doesn't guarantee a anything.

The other thing to note from your list of players, including Noel and Davis...is they were on a lot of crappy teams as rookies. You can get a ton of minutes when your team isn't competing for a post season spot. But on a team with Melo and two to three more starters signed, the goal is going to be the playoffs. We don't have a pick to tank for and there's no reason to rush KP when he's only 19 years old. Either way, KP ain't holding the block down as a rookie, that shouldn't be a debate when he struggled there against Euro competition.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

I'm not a fan of any team :DripDrip:



You in your feelings, the bad man saying mean things about the fat ball stopper got you upset :Guidedtoislam:

stop trying to get clout off our team. move the fukk around nikka

 

[LurkMoar]

When did Melo become a 4


tell fat boy he has to play the 3

 

[Malta]

If the Knicks can't afford a back-up at C, I assume Amundson will end up being our undersized back up for the minimum (or Cole Aldrich since he played well with minutes). They're not just gonna put KP into a position he has no business in yet.

Dirk averaged 20 mpg as a rookie. The big minutes came when they were out of the playoffs. Alexey Shved averaged more minutes as a rookie and started 16 games, then spent the rest of his career benched til he got to the Knicks. The point of bringing up a Shved or Bargnani is to say, for any example of a player working out by getting extra minutes...there are plenty who didn't. Marko Jaric ring a bell? More mpg then Dirk, got starts...didn't do much. I could also point out cats like Goran Dragic, who spent years playing limited minutes in back-up roles but developed into stars. The point isn't that giving KP a ton of minutes is definitely a failure, just that there are multiple ways to develop a player successfully and forcing him into extra minutes doesn't guarantee a anything.

The other thing to note from your list of players, including Noel and Davis...is they were on a lot of crappy teams as rookies. You can get a ton of minutes when your team isn't competing for a post season spot. But on a team with Melo and two to three more starters signed, the goal is going to be the playoffs. We don't have a pick to tank for and there's no reason to rush KP when he's only 19 years old. Either way, KP ain't holding the block down as a rookie, that shouldn't be a debate when he struggled there against Euro competition.

Bruh, they will play Porzingis at the 5 over letting Amundson get minutes there, if Lou is one of your first bigs off the bench you may as well just wrap it up now and call it a developmental season because winning isn't in the plans.


Shved - Undrafted
Jaric - 2nd round pick
Dragic - 2nd round pick (45th)


I named guys that went first round and lottery in some cases, you name guys that were 2nd round projects and in no way shape or form were viewed as having the talent as Kristaps. You took a foreign player 4th in the draft, he needs minutes, and his talent will dictate that he should get minutes. Dirk got to start, doesn't matter if they were out of the playoff hunt or not, I really hope you don't think the Knicks are going to be contenders next year, they have far too many holes on their roster for that to be the case. That is why I say development of Kristaps should be prioritized because honestly speaking the Knicks aren't winning shyt next year or the year after it. Nerlens and Davis went to bad teams, and both would be starters on the Knicks next season if they were rookies, had the Knicks taken WCS, Winslow or Mudiay they would also be starters, and realistically Kristaps is further along than those 3. He can play the 4, especially if you have Monroe to defend the bigger/stronger players.


You don't have a pick next year is exactly why you need to accelerate his development, you say there's no rush? Umm, so why are the Knicks about to go out and sign a gang of free agents that won't help them become contenders. There is a rush, and that is the misguided belief that Melo can be the centerpiece of a title team that is built primarily through free agency.

stop trying to get clout off our team. move the fukk around nikka

No :Guidedtoislam:

 

[#SOG_soldier]

When did Melo become a 4


tell fat boy he has to play the 3

nikka got a post game and can shoot the three with the best of them. we need real bigs and this team could be a decent rebounding team.


add bismarck



go get danny green


pass on moose if he goes above 10 mil short term

sign west

 

[storyteller]

Bruh, they will play Porzingis at the 5 over letting Amundson get minutes there, if Lou is one of your first bigs off the bench you may as well just wrap it up now and call it a developmental season because winning isn't in the plans.


Shved - Undrafted
Jaric - 2nd round pick
Dragic - 2nd round pick (45th)


I named guys that went first round and lottery in some cases, you name guys that were 2nd round projects and in no way shape or form were viewed as having the talent as Kristaps. You took a foreign player 4th in the draft, he needs minutes, and his talent will dictate that he should get minutes. Dirk got to start, doesn't matter if they were out of the playoff hunt or not, I really hope you don't think the Knicks are going to be contenders next year, they have far too many holes on their roster for that to be the case. That is why I say development of Kristaps should be prioritized because honestly speaking the Knicks aren't winning shyt next year or the year after it. Nerlens and Davis went to bad teams, and both would be starters on the Knicks next season if they were rookies, had the Knicks taken WCS, Winslow or Mudiay they would also be starters, and realistically Kristaps is further along than those 3. He can play the 4, especially if you have Monroe to defend the bigger/stronger players.


You don't have a pick next year is exactly why you need to accelerate his development, you say there's no rush? Umm, so why are the Knicks about to go out and sign a gang of free agents that won't help them become contenders. There is a rush, and that is the misguided belief that Melo can be the centerpiece of a title team that is built primarily through free agency.







No :Guidedtoislam:

This feels like I'm wasting my time.
1. Amundson as a back-up to Monroe makes sense. KP at C doesn't. If he's off the bench it'll be at the same position he'd start at.
2. For all those minutes Dirk played, KP could average 20 mpg off the bench and accumulate more time played than Dirk did as a rookie. Your logic is ass and moving the goal posts to only include first rounders ain't saving it.
3. There's no rush. Pjax has stated as much. What the Knicks do in FA isn't known, it's a bunch of rumors, so pretending to know their intentions is as faulty as thinking the only way a Euro becomes a star is by playing big minutes as a rookie...kinda dumb.

 

[LurkMoar]

if kristaps not getting 35+ mins a game



that bird chested Lithuanian the future

 

[NatiboyB]

eh, that team would still suck dikk though and be a 35 win team max

grant/green/melo/west/monroe ain't winning shyt

monroe isn't even a center, if they put him at center we will have the worst d in the league

Why is Affalo thinking he's getting 12 mill...I figured he was in the 7-9 range?

 

[KnickstapeCity]

This nikka @Malta though

He stay getting nikkas

:mjlol1:

@Malta where you from breh?

I find it funny that the nikka isn't a fan of any team in particular just a fan of power forwards and centers

I never in my life heard of anyone one being a fan of a position not a team - like ever

@Malta can we agree that Tim Duncan is the GOAT PF/big man? @Public Enemies

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Bruh, they will play Porzingis at the 5 over letting Amundson get minutes there, if Lou is one of your first bigs off the bench you may as well just wrap it up now and call it a developmental season because winning isn't in the plans.


Shved - Undrafted
Jaric - 2nd round pick
Dragic - 2nd round pick (45th)


I named guys that went first round and lottery in some cases, you name guys that were 2nd round projects and in no way shape or form were viewed as having the talent as Kristaps. You took a foreign player 4th in the draft, he needs minutes, and his talent will dictate that he should get minutes. Dirk got to start, doesn't matter if they were out of the playoff hunt or not, I really hope you don't think the Knicks are going to be contenders next year, they have far too many holes on their roster for that to be the case. That is why I say development of Kristaps should be prioritized. Nerlens and Davis wen't to bad teams, and both would be starters on the Knicks next season if they were rookies, had the Knicks taken WCS, Winslow or Mudiay they would also be starters, and realistically Kristaps is further along than those 3.


You don't have a pick next year is exactly why you need to accelerate his development, you say there's no rush? Umm, so why are the Knicks about to go out and sign a gang of free agents that won't help them become contenders. There is a rush, and that is the misguided belief that Melo can be the centerpiece of a title team that is built primarily through free agency.







No :Guidedtoislam:

that smiley gay

 

[K-ZOE]

Monta Ellis
Greg Monroe
David West
Build the team around KP and his development. Signing players just to make the playoffs and not be contenders is not the way to go. Only FA that makes the Knicks contenders immediately is Marc Gasol, no one else.

The emphasis should be on player development not making the playoffs

How do you build around a player that hasn't played an NBA minute yet?

Please share with me when in NBA history a team has gone from 17 wins to a contender the following season? Do contenders not need playoff eperience? How is even making the playoffs next season as an 8th seed not progress over the past 2 seasons...when we weren't even eligible?? You're right about Gasol....but everyone knows he's not coming here. So what's the point of discussing him?
You're right about David West too. I don't want that mufukka either. Not to start. Bench locker room guy, sure. But I don't want to have to rely on him.

 

[ogc163]

How do you build around a player that hasn't played an NBA minute yet?

Please share with me when in NBA history a team has gone from 17 wins to a contender the following season? Do contenders not need playoff eperience? How is even making the playoffs next season as an 8th seed not progress over the past 2 seasons...when we weren't even eligible?? You're right about Gasol....but everyone knows he's not coming here. So what's the point of discussing him?
You're right about David West too. I don't want that mufukka either. Not to start. Bench locker room guy, sure. But I don't want to have to rely on him.

He was drafted because of his high potential and so you build around his strengths and weaknesses. That will hopefully accelerate the process of him becoming an elite player. Making the playoffs is trivial at this point, because to do so would likely mean KP isn't getting ample minutes. KP's development is more important than a second round exit.

 

[Da King]

This nikka @Malta though

He stay getting nikkas

:mjlol1:

@Malta where you from breh?

I find it funny that the nikka isn't a fan of any team in particular just a fan of power forwards and centers

I never in my life heard of anyone one being a fan of a position not a team - like ever

@Malta can we agree that Tim Duncan is the GOAT PF/big man? @Public Enemies

GOATcan the undisputed GOAT PF, that's not really up for debate

 

[Malta]

This feels like I'm wasting my time.
1. Amundson as a back-up to Monroe makes sense. KP at C doesn't. If he's off the bench it'll be at the same position he'd start at.
2. For all those minutes Dirk played, KP could average 20 mpg off the bench and accumulate more time played than Dirk did as a rookie. Your logic is ass and moving the goal posts to only include first rounders ain't saving it.
3. There's no rush. Pjax has stated as much. What the Knicks do in FA isn't known, it's a bunch of rumors, so pretending to know their intentions is as faulty as thinking the only way a Euro becomes a star is by playing big minutes as a rookie...kinda dumb.

Porzingis at center doesn't make sense, but it will happen if he's coming off the bench. Nobody is going to give Amundson minutes over Kristaps, and if they're in a lineup together you're not going to put the 6'9" 225lbs Amundson on big centers, he can't guard them at all.

Dirk started half the games that season, no amount of splitting hairs will change that fact, Pau, Yao, Giannis, Parker, Dirk etc all got start and there are clear signs that giving talented foreign player lots of playing time early on helps their development. How am I moving goal posts when everybody I named in my first post was a first rounder, you brought up dudes in situations not at all similar to Kristaps. He is a first round lottery pick, he needs minutes. You bringing up some undrafted & 2nd rounders and then saying I'm the one moving goal posts is comical.

There is a rush, the whole point of going after all these free agents is because Melo is 31, and the window on him being a top level talent ( ) is closing. This is a team that doesn't want to admit it's in a rebuild, they're handling this offseason like they're simply retooling. Saying the Knicks are in no rush is pure comedy....