Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread
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Man Breh I don't know what the Knicks can do 
I've been asking myself the same damn question.
Anyways, I'm try & get a list of possible free agents when I get home. That should give us a clearer look at what's available
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I'm just a basketball fan first...Not particularly a knick fan since I'm a Cavs fan first but I like when the Knicks are good seems like Basketball is more exciting.
if idiot fans can cheer for bum ass iman for seasons and praise no defense tim, they can deal with this kid's development. i can't believe people really think that winslow or mudiay would've made us a playoff team but porzgawd is going be the reason we miss them
People cheered for them because they had solid to good rookie seasons, yet people tend to forget that. Like others said if Porzingis comes out & plays hard like they did, he'll be fine. Maybe even I will warm up to him.
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Outside dwest no1 in that lineup is slow or unathletic
And dwest is no slouch athletic wise
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Monroe does not play defense
West is over the hill
Affalo is cool, but I would prefer Green if he is willing to sign for a reasonable price.
I would prefer Patrick Beverley since you don't need a pure PG in the triangle and he is an elite defender while being able to hit the 3
If Fat Iverson does want to get traded during the season I would strongly consider looking at Nerlens Noel at the 5 with KP at the 4.
Melo better stop whining or cancel that no trade clause
SA was one of the people pumping that out there, I bet Melo called him out on it, now he trying to fall back
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Wolves Fan Who Thinks Porzingis Is Going To Be Good And Not Just Down The Road--But Right Away
I personally haven't seen him play other than highlights and I've heard people saying he's really weak, can't rebound, too skinny to protect the rim yadda yadda yadda. That may prove to be true, but I wanted to be careful not to just buy into the hive mentality and do some of my own research. Defense: Rim-protecting: "In addition, Porzingis is anything but your run-of-the-mill 7-foot stiff. Most notably, he has tremendous lateral quickness, and the ability to hedge out to stay in front of guards, while recovering quickly enough to protect the basket. Explicitly, Porzingis is one of only three players under the age of 20 in the Spanish ACB league history to average more than 2.9 blocks per 40 minutes. Not to mention, he was also the most prolific shot-blocker in U-18 European Championship history, posting a mind-numbing 6.6 blocks per 40 minutes. When you consider his shooting touch, athleticism, and size, you can easily envision a prime Porzingis playing crunch time minutes in the 2020 NBA Finals — given his penchant for injecting floor spacing and versatility to protect the rim while venturing out onto the perimeter." Porzingas has the wingspan of Anthony Davis, and once they start listing his height with shoes (Thabeet for example measured 7'1, but is listed at 7'3--and he could still grow a bit, as of now he's tied for the 15th tallest player of ALL TIME. He's still skinny, but not the 210 pound or less skinny some posters were arguing,,,h'es now up to 230. It'll be important, especially early on to eease into things. KG (one of the best defensive bigs) weighed 215 pounds coming into the NBA. Whiteside was 225 coming into the NBA. Anthony Davis weighed just 212 pounds. (1st in blocks per game last year). 2nd in the league in blocks, Aldridge is only 230, John Henson (in the top 10 in bpg) was only 216 pounds coming in. I can keep going... Point is, lots of guys have really skinny frames coming into the league, it's only a red flag if that player isn't willing to work on himself to get to that next weight while still staying mobile. He'll start off playing PF (like Henson, Davis, KG, Alridge etc.) because of that frame, and yes it is also true that he won't be used to the kind of skill and talent level of the average NBA player, so he'll have some struggles. His length will allows him to protect the rim from either the PF or C position, as well as be able to stay square with his defender, and close and not give him room to shoot. He'll affect a lot of shots. Rebounding... It's true, he's not strong enough right now and not only can grown men push him around on the defensive block, but he has a lot of defensive lapses as well which allows defenders to get the advantage on him and negate his tremoundous length. But I want to bring up two points, you can be the best rebounder in the league, box out well, and be all of that and be ridiculed and mocked for your defensive ability. Kevin Love might be the best in the league at cleaning both sides of the glass and boxing guys out, but what doesn't he have? He doesn't have the length, height, lateral quickness, jumping ability to consistently affect shots and make guys uncomfortable. You can teach and ingrain boxing out and crashing the defensive boards. But you can't teach Porzingis height (almost 7'3 in shoes), length (almost 7'6' sin shoes) And he's already quicker and a more fluid mover than Love, but at a bigger size. His main defensive faults are his frame and his defensive awareness. NBA coaching will drill him in knowing witch spots to be on the defensize side of the ball for certain situations. And an NBA weight program will improve his frame. He'll bulk up and get stronger, which will allow him to be better at boxing out and on the defensive glass. His length is already a huge advantage for him as well...he'll be one of the 3 or 4 tallest players in the league. He's already a great offensive rebounder too. Porzingis is probably going to fit best playing as a PF, especially early on you need to have the right center next to him, but I'm not worried about Porzingis defensively any more than the usual 19 year old rookie who bites on lots of fakes and generally lacks great defensive awareness from the get go. He's got the height, length, skill, and athletic tools to become an average defender at least without trying. He only plays like 20 minutes a game but the guy is really good. If he started his numbers would probably look something like 36 min 20 points-49% FG - 37% 3 FG (4 per game) - 75% FT (5 per game) 9 rebounds-(3 offensive-6 defensive) 2 blocks 2 steals 2 TO 2 assist He's going to be a guy that's a huge threat in the pick and pop game so he's going to shoot a lot of perimeter jump shots, like Kevin Love per say, his FG % will probably be a little lower than you want, but he shoots more like a guard in a lot of ways than a big man so I don't mind. They don't call fouls in Europe like they do here. Porzingis gets to the line 4-5 times per 40 mins. I wouldn't be surprised to see that 6 or 7 times per 40 minutes in the NBA. He'll struggle to finish inside and with contact as a 19 year old skinny kid going against grown NBA men but as he bulks up and gets experience he'll improve there too. Prediction: Basically a bigger, better 3 point shooting, longer Lamarcus Aldridge which is scary.
He'll still be a good player immediately. He's not even that small or skinny...that's what people assumed, but that was based off of when everyone thought he was like 6'10/6'11 210-215 pounds...he's 7'2 235 pounds....
How come his slight frame is destroying him, but with Anthony Davis everyone said just wait until he puts on weight? Porzingis is bigger and a lot heavier at the same age, coming into the NBA...and will only put on more weight.
He seems to have a lot of confidence too which I think bodes well for him.
I think it'll take him a couple years to become truly good and not just average/above average from 3, as well as with his back to the basket in the post.
But look at Anthony Davis year 1 to year 3. You should see that kind of improvement.
Wolves Fan Who Thinks Porzingis Is Going To Be Good And Not Just Down The Road--But Right Away
I personally haven't seen him play other than highlights and I've heard people saying he's really weak, can't rebound, too skinny to protect the rim yadda yadda yadda. That may prove to be true, but I wanted to be careful not to just buy into the hive mentality and do some of my own research. Defense: Rim-protecting: "In addition, Porzingis is anything but your run-of-the-mill 7-foot stiff. Most notably, he has tremendous lateral quickness, and the ability to hedge out to stay in front of guards, while recovering quickly enough to protect the basket. Explicitly, Porzingis is one of only three players under the age of 20 in the Spanish ACB league history to average more than 2.9 blocks per 40 minutes. Not to mention, he was also the most prolific shot-blocker in U-18 European Championship history, posting a mind-numbing 6.6 blocks per 40 minutes. When you consider his shooting touch, athleticism, and size, you can easily envision a prime Porzingis playing crunch time minutes in the 2020 NBA Finals — given his penchant for injecting floor spacing and versatility to protect the rim while venturing out onto the perimeter." Porzingas has the wingspan of Anthony Davis, and once they start listing his height with shoes (Thabeet for example measured 7'1, but is listed at 7'3--and he could still grow a bit, as of now he's tied for the 15th tallest player of ALL TIME. He's still skinny, but not the 210 pound or less skinny some posters were arguing,,,h'es now up to 230. It'll be important, especially early on to eease into things. KG (one of the best defensive bigs) weighed 215 pounds coming into the NBA. Whiteside was 225 coming into the NBA. Anthony Davis weighed just 212 pounds. (1st in blocks per game last year). 2nd in the league in blocks, Aldridge is only 230, John Henson (in the top 10 in bpg) was only 216 pounds coming in. I can keep going... Point is, lots of guys have really skinny frames coming into the league, it's only a red flag if that player isn't willing to work on himself to get to that next weight while still staying mobile. He'll start off playing PF (like Henson, Davis, KG, Alridge etc.) because of that frame, and yes it is also true that he won't be used to the kind of skill and talent level of the average NBA player, so he'll have some struggles. His length will allows him to protect the rim from either the PF or C position, as well as be able to stay square with his defender, and close and not give him room to shoot. He'll affect a lot of shots. Rebounding... It's true, he's not strong enough right now and not only can grown men push him around on the defensive block, but he has a lot of defensive lapses as well which allows defenders to get the advantage on him and negate his tremoundous length. But I want to bring up two points, you can be the best rebounder in the league, box out well, and be all of that and be ridiculed and mocked for your defensive ability. Kevin Love might be the best in the league at cleaning both sides of the glass and boxing guys out, but what doesn't he have? He doesn't have the length, height, lateral quickness, jumping ability to consistently affect shots and make guys uncomfortable. You can teach and ingrain boxing out and crashing the defensive boards. But you can't teach Porzingis height (almost 7'3 in shoes), length (almost 7'6' sin shoes) And he's already quicker and a more fluid mover than Love, but at a bigger size. His main defensive faults are his frame and his defensive awareness. NBA coaching will drill him in knowing witch spots to be on the defensize side of the ball for certain situations. And an NBA weight program will improve his frame. He'll bulk up and get stronger, which will allow him to be better at boxing out and on the defensive glass. His length is already a huge advantage for him as well...he'll be one of the 3 or 4 tallest players in the league. He's already a great offensive rebounder too. Porzingis is probably going to fit best playing as a PF, especially early on you need to have the right center next to him, but I'm not worried about Porzingis defensively any more than the usual 19 year old rookie who bites on lots of fakes and generally lacks great defensive awareness from the get go. He's got the height, length, skill, and athletic tools to become an average defender at least without trying. He only plays like 20 minutes a game but the guy is really good. If he started his numbers would probably look something like 36 min 20 points-49% FG - 37% 3 FG (4 per game) - 75% FT (5 per game) 9 rebounds-(3 offensive-6 defensive) 2 blocks 2 steals 2 TO 2 assist He's going to be a guy that's a huge threat in the pick and pop game so he's going to shoot a lot of perimeter jump shots, like Kevin Love per say, his FG % will probably be a little lower than you want, but he shoots more like a guard in a lot of ways than a big man so I don't mind. They don't call fouls in Europe like they do here. Porzingis gets to the line 4-5 times per 40 mins. I wouldn't be surprised to see that 6 or 7 times per 40 minutes in the NBA. He'll struggle to finish inside and with contact as a 19 year old skinny kid going against grown NBA men but as he bulks up and gets experience he'll improve there too. Prediction: Basically a bigger, better 3 point shooting, longer Lamarcus Aldridge which is scary.
He'll still be a good player immediately. He's not even that small or skinny...that's what people assumed, but that was based off of when everyone thought he was like 6'10/6'11 210-215 pounds...he's 7'2 235 pounds....
How come his slight frame is destroying him, but with Anthony Davis everyone said just wait until he puts on weight? Porzingis is bigger and a lot heavier at the same age, coming into the NBA...and will only put on more weight.
He seems to have a lot of confidence too which I think bodes well for him.
I think it'll take him a couple years to become truly good and not just average/above average from 3, as well as with his back to the basket in the post.
But look at Anthony Davis year 1 to year 3. You should see that kind of improvement.
Free Agents, (r)=restricted
Centers:
Marc Gasol
Deandre Jordan
Brook Lopez
Greg Monroe
Tyson Chandler
Enes Kanter (r)
Robin Lopez
Omer Asik
Brandan Wright
Kosta Koufus
Kevin Seraphin
Alexis Ajinca
Bismack Biyombo (r)
JaVale McGee
Aron Bynes (r)
Pero Antic (r)
Kendrick Perkins
Cole Aldrich
Greg Smith
Jeff Ayers
Sam Dalembert
Joel Anthony
Ryan Hollins
Jeff Withey
Nazr Mohammed
Greg Stiemsma
Justin Hamilton (r)
Bernard James
Arinze Onuaku
Earl Barron
Jerome Jordan
Ognjen Kuzmic (r)
Centers:
Marc Gasol
Deandre Jordan
Brook Lopez
Greg Monroe
Tyson Chandler
Enes Kanter (r)
Robin Lopez
Omer Asik
Brandan Wright
Kosta Koufus
Kevin Seraphin
Alexis Ajinca
Bismack Biyombo (r)
JaVale McGee
Aron Bynes (r)
Pero Antic (r)
Kendrick Perkins
Cole Aldrich
Greg Smith
Jeff Ayers
Sam Dalembert
Joel Anthony
Ryan Hollins
Jeff Withey
Nazr Mohammed
Greg Stiemsma
Justin Hamilton (r)
Bernard James
Arinze Onuaku
Earl Barron
Jerome Jordan
Ognjen Kuzmic (r)
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Danny Green has to be the top free agent for the Knicks.
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Some of Porzingis's measurables sound off of the charts, I've seen somewhere that he has a 38 inch vertical, and a 7'6 wingspan. Sounds like he has a mean face up game too, and being that he's 7'3 in shoes, Iike MonderFonzie's post stated, I don't see why he can't come in and contribute right away. Zingis has a pretty big physical advantage over most other pf's, with some skills to back it up too. I think the worst thing for his development would to just have him buried on the bench over the notion that he's too raw and isn't ready;I'm not saying he has to start, but let him get pt, and if he takes some bumps and bruises along the way, so be it.
From the interviews I've seen, I kinda got the same feeling. His family seems pretty well off, he could have just stayed home and been comfortable in euroleague. I like that he came right away, doing press tours and interviews making it seem like he wants to be here. It's a good first impression.
You never know though, Bargnani probably had similar thoughts until he stepped onto the floor and then realized he sucks.
He's def counting the days until his NBA retirement.
If we get rid of Calderon, we could POSSIBLY sign a Middleton/Butler for max or close to it... If they're bent on getting away...
Power Forwards:
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
Paul Millsap
Josh Smith
Tristan Thompson (r)
David West
Thaddeus Young
Brandon Bass
Amare Stoudemire
Carlos Boozer
Ed Davis
Amir Johnson
Luis Scola
Bargnani
Tyler Hansbrough
Andray Blatche
Thomas Robinson
Jonas Jerebko
Luc Mbah a Moute
Big Baby Davis
Jason Smith
Reggie Evans
Drew Gooden
Darrell Arthur
Matt Bonner
Charlie Villanueva
Lavoy Allen
Kyle O'Quinn (r)
Henry Sims (r)
Joel Freeland (r)
Jason Maxiell
Chuck Hayes
Elton Brand
Louis Amundson
Ekpe Udoh
Shayne Whittington (r)
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
Paul Millsap
Josh Smith
Tristan Thompson (r)
David West
Thaddeus Young
Brandon Bass
Amare Stoudemire
Carlos Boozer
Ed Davis
Amir Johnson
Luis Scola
Bargnani
Tyler Hansbrough
Andray Blatche
Thomas Robinson
Jonas Jerebko
Luc Mbah a Moute
Big Baby Davis
Jason Smith
Reggie Evans
Drew Gooden
Darrell Arthur
Matt Bonner
Charlie Villanueva
Lavoy Allen
Kyle O'Quinn (r)
Henry Sims (r)
Joel Freeland (r)
Jason Maxiell
Chuck Hayes
Elton Brand
Louis Amundson
Ekpe Udoh
Shayne Whittington (r)
