Pistons to trade Drummond to Celtics?

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The physical tools are there for him to be a beast. This nikkas defensive iq is low though. You don't see the highlights of him being late as hell on defensive rotations are getting lost in traffic on screens. He makes plenty of bonehead plays on d.
y'all gotta have some patience

you got dudes in here talking about blowing up the team because it's middle of the pack when y'all cornerstone is only 23 years old

he aint even reached his prime yet
 

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We ain't winning shyt with Drummond. Might as well sell high. He's peaked defensively. Not much growth left offensively. Free throws trash so liability late in games. Sell high.

I agree but a trade with boston that gets us only the first isn't the answer. Any players that we would want won't be available to us. I'd much rather get a known commodity that fits the offense and continue to build with our own draft picks.

Who in this draft is a transcendent player? Another pick could turn into Drummond, KCP, Monroe. If so, we still won't win shyt.

I want a player that can score from free-throw extended to play in the same offense Dwight played in. You can rebound collectively as a team to make up for any rebounds we lose with Drummond. Sell high but fukk a draft pick in this years draft, I don't see an Embid, Kristaps, KAT, or Drummond in the lotto.
 

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Yep. Free agency and trades is where joe started to shyt the bed. nikka was spending money on redundant players and guys that were terrible fits together.

I think his biggest mistake was trying to recreate a bad boys 3.0 with villanueva and gordon. He had a schtick. Other than that I have no real problems with Joe D. He had to go but KCP wasn't a whiff. Monroe wasn't a whiff. Drummond isn't a whiff.

The man built a championship team. I'll take the warts of Darko and trading for iverson 10 times out of 10 because without Joe D we don't win one and contend for as long as we did.

People have no clue how hard it is to do what joe D did. Hot names like Morey, Colangelo, Sam presti, kevin pritchard all accumulated talent but failed to deliver the goods. If anyone missed it earlier, I repeat, he deserved to go when he did but Joe D deserves a lot of credit for what he was able to achieve.
 
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y'all gotta have some patience

you got dudes in here talking about blowing up the team because it's middle of the pack when y'all cornerstone is only 23 years old

he aint even reached his prime yet
I know this is The Coli where every player under 25 has unlimited upside and untapped potential...but I deal in reality. Reality says Drummond likely won't develop his offensive game and FT shooting to an acceptable level. Reality says his basketball IQ when it comes recognizing rotations and anticipating help on defense will always be an issue. Niccas get too caught up in the promise of youth. Stan's been around Shaq and young Dwight...he knows high level bigs. If he feels like Drummond won't ever become a franchise guy he's got to be proactive and see what's out there.
 

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I know this is The Coli where every player under 25 has unlimited upside and untapped potential...but I deal in reality. Reality says Drummond likely won't develop his offensive game and FT shooting to an acceptable level. Reality says his basketball IQ when it comes recognizing rotations and anticipating help on defense will always be an issue. Niccas get too caught up in the promise of youth. Stan's been around Shaq and young Dwight...he knows high level bigs. If he feels like Drummond won't ever become a franchise guy he's got to be proactive and see what's out there.
Ima rep you breh because it's crazy how guys live off potential until they are 28 and fighting for rotation minutes
nikkas still think javale McGee can turn it around
 

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Ima rep you breh because it's crazy how guys live off potential until they are 28 and fighting for rotation minutes
nikkas still think javale McGee can turn it around

Cmon breh. Give em 2-3 more decades. WHEN they finally develop :ohlawd:

When most young teams, not everyone gets better. Too many people assume growth.
 

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y'all gotta have some patience

you got dudes in here talking about blowing up the team because it's middle of the pack when y'all cornerstone is only 23 years old

he aint even reached his prime yet
I'm in no rush to move him, but his defensive instincts suck right now and haven't really improved since he's been in the league. I think he is getting good coaching as far as where He's supposed to be defensively, but far too often he goes rogue and breaks down the d. Every once in a while he'll have a game where a light bulb gites off and he becomes a blocking machine like he did in Sacramento this season, but those are few and far between. I'm just waiting for that bulb to come on more often.
 

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I know this is The Coli where every player under 25 has unlimited upside and untapped potential...but I deal in reality. Reality says Drummond likely won't develop his offensive game and FT shooting to an acceptable level. Reality says his basketball IQ when it comes recognizing rotations and anticipating help on defense will always be an issue. Niccas get too caught up in the promise of youth. Stan's been around Shaq and young Dwight...he knows high level bigs. If he feels like Drummond won't ever become a franchise guy he's got to be proactive and see what's out there.
This is all true too. He hasn't really improved defensively. I just don't think anything is out there worth bailing on him for. Still think this is all an overreaction to Reggie coming back less than 100% and throwing everything off :yeshrug:
 

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Joe has a pretty good draft record. The Darko situation was a huge blunder, but other than that his draft picks have been pretty solid, especially some of his late 1st and 2nd rd picks. His problem was not valuing the players once he got them. He gaffe away players like middleton and Afflalo for them to grow on other teams. And what he would get back in return would be trash.

He turned into Isiah as GM after 2005. I give Joe full credit for the championship team (dh86 remembers Tim Thomas and John Amechi turning down the Pistons pre Ben Wallace) but it was a whole decade of a slew of bad decisions before he was ousted. Rodney Stuckey has had an ok 10 year career worthy of his draft status, but Joe thought he was a piece to build around and far overstayed his welcome. Prince too. Afflalo, Amir, and Middleton were all dealt for draft picks to clear space for bad FA signings.
 

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I know this is The Coli where every player under 25 has unlimited upside and untapped potential...but I deal in reality. Reality says Drummond likely won't develop his offensive game and FT shooting to an acceptable level. Reality says his basketball IQ when it comes recognizing rotations and anticipating help on defense will always be an issue. Niccas get too caught up in the promise of youth. Stan's been around Shaq and young Dwight...he knows high level bigs. If he feels like Drummond won't ever become a franchise guy he's got to be proactive and see what's out there.

This is also the coli where we say 'always' and 'ever' even when you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 

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He turned into Isiah as GM after 2005. I give Joe full credit for the championship team (dh86 remembers Tim Thomas and John Amechi turning down the Pistons pre Ben Wallace) but it was a whole decade of a slew of bad decisions before he was ousted. Rodney Stuckey has had an ok 10 year career worthy of his draft status, but Joe thought he was a piece to build around and far overstayed his welcome. Prince too. Afflalo, Amir, and Middleton were all dealt for draft picks to clear space for bad FA signings.
Trust me, i know. Although Middleton wasn't for picks, but an unnecessary throw in for the jennings trade. I always say he threw Middleton in that trade like he was the celery with a order of buffalo wings. They would have been fine without him and we could have sure used him. That shyt still pisses me off to this day :martin:
 
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