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They will do anything to downplay his dominance.

60 win teams like the '11 Bulls and '15 Hawks are called frauds even though they dominated Western Conference teams during the regular season and would have been in the Finals if it weren't for LeBron.

They'll call the Celtics old when they were all in their early to mid 30's and making All-Star teams and Rondo was in his prime.

The injuries to his supporting cast and the historic Herculean efforts he had to put up against historic defenses in '12 and '13 are conveniently forgotten.

They'll downplay 55-60 win Toronto teams because they were to LeBron what the Knicks were to M.J. in the 90's.

the bulls....the hawks....one team a season....Kobe beat 4 50 win teams in the playoff multiple times bro Bron has been dominant but he’s not Mr. Playoffs. MJ had title runs beating 2 50 win teams and a 60 win team. MJ beat one 50 win team and two 60 win teams in 93, 96 AND
97.

someone in here said if Bron doesn’t have the playoff title than no one can have it. That’s false his runs, he has less rings and his runs weren’t as difficult to get those rings.
 

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Meh, what made the 2010 Celtics this much better team than the Lakers?

This is dishonest posting. There was no large gap between either team in 2010. It's nothing like the gap between the Warriors and Cavaliers especially in Finals losses like 2015 where Kyrie and Kevin Love missed the Finals or when GS added Kevin Durant to their team. :heh:

And what's up with that namedropping shyt? Oh, if he had Wade and Bosh he doesn't lose to the Spurs in 2014. I really question if y'all really watch these games. D-Wade's knees were completely cooked by the Finals and the Heat's defense had deterioriated due to age. It was the main reason they lost. Danny Green, Patty Mills, Kawhi, Ginobili none of those guys could miss. The Spurs shot 47% from 3 for the series.


the gap between the dubs and Cavs wouldn’t be has big if Bron made his teammates better like y’all claim. Y’all make all these excuses about Love at the end of the day he was 26 and got worse after the trade. Pau was 27 and got better. Kobe would’ve made Love better for those series.

what made the 2010 Celtics better? Well their big 3 consisted entirely of guys who had multiple playoff series wins as the #1 option in their careers. Whereas Kobe’s 2nd option was a guy who was 0-12 as a #1 option without him and LO who was never a #1 guy anywhere. Celtics had Rondo we had D Fish.
 

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the bulls....the hawks....one team a season....Shaq and Kobe beat 4 50 win teams in the playoff multiple times bro Bron has been dominant but he’s not Mr. Playoffs. MJ had title runs beating 2 50 win teams and a 60 win team. MJ beat one 50 win team and two 60 win teams in 93, 96 AND
97.

someone in here said if Bron doesn’t have the playoff title than no one can have it. That’s false his runs, he has less rings and his runs weren’t as difficult to get those rings.
Fixed for consistency.
 

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the bulls....the hawks....one team a season....Kobe beat 4 50 win teams in the playoff multiple times bro Bron has been dominant but he’s not Mr. Playoffs. MJ had title runs beating 2 50 win teams and a 60 win team. MJ beat one 50 win team and two 60 win teams in 93, 96 AND
97.

someone in here said if Bron doesn’t have the playoff title than no one can have it. That’s false his runs, he has less rings and his runs weren’t as difficult to get those rings.
In 2012, the Celtics and Pacers were on a 50 win pace and the Thunder were on a 60 win pace in the lockout season. LeBron has also beaten a 73 win team in the Finals.

At the end of the this is semantics. I don't know about Mr. Playoffs. I do know LeBron is a pretty dominant postseason player throughout his career through his wins and losses. At the end of the day you have to play whose in front of you. I can tell you those series against the Pacers and Celtics weren't cakewalks especially due to circumstances. A lot of players would have folded.

The only teams in the West that could have possibly eliminated LeBron in that late 00's time period are the Spurs and Lakers. The Nuggets, Jazz, Suns these are treadmill teams that scored a lot of points and won regular season games. These teams weren't even great defensive teams.

You need an elite defense to beat a LeBron led team.

Playoff LeBron is a thing because of things like his early duels and game winners against Gilbert Arenas and the Wizards, taking a 64 win Detroit team to 7 games at 21 years old, game 5 against Detroit on the road in '07 scoring the last 25 in a 2OT win, game 7 duel against Paul Pierce in '08 against a highly favored Celtics team, his entire '09 playoff run where he averaged like 35/9/9 and dropped that game winner on the Magic, going on a 19-4 run with D-Wade to closeout Chicago in 2011 and locking up D-Rose in 4Q’s, the back against the wall performances against Boston (45/15/5) and Indiana (40/18/9) on the road with his supporting cast injured against historically good defenses, leading the comeback in the 2013 Finals against the Spurs scoring 16 in the 4th then putting up a dominant 37 point game 7 and hitting the dagger in the closing minute, taking the Warriors to 6 games by himself in 2015, owning Toronto's soul, leading the 2016 Finals in every statistical category and coming back down from 3-1 against a 73-9 team, dropping 51 in a Finals game in '18 that whole playoffs was crazy because the Cavs defense was league worse and they had scrapped the team midseason he was literally carrying them averaging 34/9/9 and dropping several gamewinners...
 
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the gap between the dubs and Cavs wouldn’t be has big if Bron made his teammates better like y’all claim. Y’all make all these excuses about Love at the end of the day he was 26 and got worse after the trade. Pau was 27 and got better. Kobe would’ve made Love better for those series.

what made the 2010 Celtics better? Well their big 3 consisted entirely of guys who had multiple playoff series wins as the #1 option in their careers. Whereas Kobe’s 2nd option was a guy who was 0-12 as a #1 option without him and LO who was never a #1 guy anywhere. Celtics had Rondo we had D Fish.
K-Love was a guy who put up numbers on Minnesota who never took his teams to the playoffs. He fell back as a third option and his weight loss diminished his post game. Also, K-Love wasn't there for the 2015 playoffs and in the 2016 Finals had a concussion that took him out the series and when he did play was limited. The circumstances such as K-Love's separated shoulder and concussion, Kyrie's knee cap fracture, D-Wade's knee drainage, CB's abdominal strain and high ankle sprain in the middle of the huge playoff series are never even talked about. The durability to make these runs every year is not easy that shyt burns players out.

The Lakers won 7 more regular season games than the Celtics and ranked better on both ends than the Celtics in 2010. It was an evenly matched series and it was a defensive oriented series.

I'm not really here for the LeBron vs. Kobe thing either. I thought we was past that.
 
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In 2012, the Celtics and Pacers were on a 50 win pace and the Thunder were on a 60 win pace in the lockout season. LeBron has also beaten a 73 win team in the Finals.

At the end of the this is semantics. I don't know about Mr. Playoffs. I do know LeBron is a pretty dominant postseason player throughout his career through his wins and losses. At the end of the day you have to play whose in front of you. I can tell you those series against the Pacers and Celtics weren't cakewalks especially due to circumstances. A lot of players would have folded.

The only teams in the West that could have possibly eliminated LeBron in that late 00's time period are the Spurs and Lakers. The Nuggets, Jazz, Suns these are treadmill teams that scored a lot of points and won regular season games. The Nuggets and Suns weren't even good defensive teams. You need an elite defense to beat a LeBron led team.

Playoff LeBron is a thing because of things like his early duels and game winners against Gilbert Arenas and the Wizards, taking a 64 win Detroit team to 7 games at 21 years old, game 5 against Detroit on the road in '07 scoring the last 25 in a 2OT win, game 7 duel against Paul Pierce in '08 against a highly favored Celtics team, his entire '09 playoff run where he averaged like 38/9/9 and dropped that game winner on the Magic, the back against the wall performances against Boston (45/15/5) and Indiana (40/18/9) on the road with his supporting cast injured against historically good defenses, leading the comeback in the 2013 Finals against the Spurs scoring 16 in the 4th then putting up a dominant game 37 point game 7 and hitting the dagger in the closing minute, taking the Warriors to 6 games by himself in 2015, owning Toronto's soul, leading the 2016 Finals in every statistical category and coming back down from 3-1 against a 73-9 team, dropping 51 in a Finals game...
I just think that Finals against the Mavs has inherently made it tough for some people to appreciate LeBron's playoff efforts. Cause context is lost....because he lost a finals he shouldn't have lost. From my conversations with other people its just they've seen him not do enough before so in a way he's not doing enough now (back then)

For example, LeBron had some amazing finishes against Boston and Chicago those playoffs. It was soon forgotten because of the finals. Contextually I can see that 2014 Heat team were on its last legs, Kyrie got hurt, KD joined a 73 win team.

However, people arent needing to be convinced much if he's sitting on 4 rings right now instead of 3.
 

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I just think that Finals against the Mavs has inherently made it tough for some people to appreciate LeBron's playoff efforts. Cause context is lost....because he lost a finals he shouldn't have lost. From my conversations with other people its just they've seen him not do enough before so in a way he's not doing enough now (back then)

For example, LeBron had some amazing finishes against Boston and Chicago those playoffs. It was soon forgotten because of the finals. Contextually I can see that 2014 Heat team were on its last legs, Kyrie got hurt, KD joined a 73 win team.

However, people arent needing to be convinced much if he's sitting on 4 rings right now instead of 3.
I agree he fukked up and when he lost that series I called that he would never be the G.O.A.T., it is what it is.

A lot of the greats have subpar Finals and playoff series and some lackluster moments but MJ went 6 for 6.
 

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what are people trying to prove in this thread? lebron is one of the greatest of all time and so is kobe. it seems like this is just one of the never ending pissing matches between stans over who was greater.

to be honest i couldn't care less about who was greater at this point because they're both highly accomplished and legends for different reasons.

plus it feels too weird to compare kobe to anyone right now. still too fresh for me.
 

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This logic so dumb. You don't win rings you get shytted on. Put yourself in position to win rings you get shytted on. I mean damn is it ooochie Wally or One Mic

:mjlol:

So when we mention this eastern conference streak and people are treating it as the greatest feat in modern sport...lauding the endurance it takes and all that good stuff... we're just supposed to ignore he's swapping out new and younger all NBA and all Star supporting casts to do it lol? The other names homie mentioned wouldn't have benefited from that

Bron doesn't get shytted on for team hopping, the conscenous narrative is he's the pioneer of "player empowerment" for jumping from stacked roster to stacked roster then skating town once the squad has exhausted all of their cap room, draft picks and assets from constant win now or else seasons... to go do it all over again somewhere else... then when the team he leaves starts the rebuild process, because they have no choice, that's also used as a sign of his greatness.. the only player that actually gets shytted on, is KD... mainly because he beat Bron at his own team hopping, ringchasing ways...then like a fool, left the perfect basketball situation because he let Bron Stans in the media get in his head about it
 
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