Playoff LeBron...

[Swagnificent]

It's always been more about Kobe than Jordan...

Thats mainly cause the media has elevated LeBron above Kobe when he hasn't earned it. And it ain't just fans. NBA players always say the same thing. How is the media just gonna skip right over Kobe and leap LeBron into a debate with Jordan.

Anybody who actually witnessed Kobe in his prime knows he's better than LeBron. Most of the medua just didn't like Kobe personally so to get back at him they've tried to make us forget his greatness. Thankfully NBA players weren't having it and have been the biggest champions for Kobe's greatness in retirement.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

NBA players really don’t care all that much and respect everyone’s greatness. They ain’t pitting one player against another

 

[Boonapalist]

morons still trying to use the East hasn't been shyt like they didn't have the top defensive teams year in and year out while being strong in years like '11, '12, '16, '18. Also I've said this before, it doesn't matter in certain situations you can have a difficult or easier runs regardless due to injuries.

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I love Magic and the Lakers but the West was weak for the majority of the 80’s and they still weren’t reaching the finals consecutively like Lebron who also had a weaker supporting cast.
The Lakers shouldn’t of lost in 81 or 86 those teams had Malone and Olajuwon respectively but the Lakers were superior to both.

The consistency and stamina it takes to do what he did is underrated by a lot of people. Especially when dealing with injuries or inexperienced coaches on the NBA level.

 

[VegetasHairline]

The stan wars are back it seems. The peace almost lasted a month. Was good while it lasted.

 

[murksiderock]

In what way will he not have as much impact? If you talking silly numbers then I don't care about that. I'm talking deep playoff runs and titles. Zion will finish with more rings than Giannis and Luka combined. His game translates to winning titles. Giannis (currently) and Luka (forever) don't have the game to lead a team to a championship.

Nah I ain't caught up on the numbers. Luka is legit GOAT-tier-in-training, in 10 years when we're having this convo it s gonna be about exactly where he lands on GOAT boards. Zion doesn't have his potential...

Giannis has GOAT-level potential, but I gotta see more. He's already been the best player on a game for game basis for two regular seasons. I don't think Zion will ever be the best player in the game...

It's hard to predict championships, you know that. Championships are gonna heavily weigh on all these guys legacies, or the lack thereof. Zion isn't gonna be a better basketball player than either of these cats, though...

Anybody who actually witnessed Kobe in his prime knows he's better than LeBron.

You really gotta stop saying this. It isn't true (that "anybody" who saw Kobe favors him over LeBron), and you're intelligent enough and you make your arguments coherently enough to know this isn't true...

You don't think LeBron is better than Kobe. There are alot of people who agree with you......and there are alot of people who don't. I watched Kobe the same way anyone else who got to see him, and haven't thought he was better than LeBron in probably a decade...

People are allowed to come to their own analysis and conclusion. You can regurgitate the same shyt over and over, and it works playing to your audience here because this board (I'm speaking while Kobe was still here) has always been way more pro-Kobe than any medium I've ever seen...

But stop it bruh, plenty of people saw Kobe and still didn't think he was better than Bron...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Loses entirely too much for Playoff Lebron to be a moniker imo. He does step up in comparison to players like harden or westbrook, even Giannis at this point. But nah.

LeBron has won more playoff games and a higher % of his playoff games than anyone else in the 21st century. If he loses too much than who wins? You gonna name someone who missed the playoffs multiple years or went down in the 1st round as if that's somehow better than making the Finals?




I don't even have energy for the idiot stan wars anymore, but the idiot who claimed the Celtics were in 2010/11 when they had just come 2 shots from a title the year before, won 56 games that year (more than 2009 or 2010), and were all except Ray younger than LeBron is now....that's some low-quality posting.

They gonna claim Celtics were in 2010/11 when Ray was the OLDEST rotation player on the team, and then count him as a star that saved LeBron in 2013 when he was another two years older than that. Ray was STARTING for LeBron's Heat in the 2014 Finals and y'all claim he should have won the title that year, dumbasses.

Have your stan wars. Miserable fukks.

 

[murksiderock]

To tie it back to the purpose of the thread----because I didn't introduce a 1v1 Bron/Kobe train of thought into the thread----, huge part of the reason Bron is a Rushmore guy is because of his playoff legacy. None of the detractions within this thread really go against the idea he's arguably the GOAT playoff guy:

•3-6 in Finals: half of his L's are to one team, and that same team would win 2/4, at minimum, over any squad in history...and probably woulda swept some GOATs...

•his performance in losses has typically been outstanding. The idea he doesn't have any game outside of lumbering like a bull has been disproved many times over and doesn't even have to be addressed anymore...

•I'm fine if guys say he was in the weaker conference, but I'm not fine with guys acting like that disqualifies the dominance. LeBron ain't responsible for most of the poorly run franchises being in his bracket, and again, people act like there were no contenders to The Throne at all...

Bulls may not have been favored in '11, but they did have home court and were seen as legit contenders all season, the team won 60 games and had the MVP. I may have misspoken earlier on them being favored, but they were def contenders and people wouldn't have been shocked if they beat the Heat...

 

[Shadow King]

No not since Lebron won in 2016 and more people started feeling he was the GOAT. But if that’s all you took from my post I see where your heads at.

Those are the fans who have the most to say about Bron pre and post-2016. This thread had nothing to do with Kobe yet look where we are now.

 

[Shadow King]

I mostly agree (FTR I believe LeBron > Magic but I think if Magic had a losing record it would be mentioned way more) and I'm always going to mention that against Magic when people bring it up, someone had to represent the West back then, I just think the 9 finals argument is missing the larger point that someone had to represent the East even when it's been at it's weakest (at least relative to the West)

And Bron represented the East more than anyone because he was the best of the conference by far. And the East during the streak of 8 straight was NOT at it's weakest, even compared to the West. If he did it 04-11 that would be different.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

LeBron has won more playoff games and a higher % of his playoff games than anyone else in the 21st century. If he loses too much than who wins? You gonna name someone who missed the playoffs multiple years or went down in the 1st round as if that's somehow better than making the Finals?




I don't even have energy for the idiot stan wars anymore, but the idiot who claimed the Celtics were in 2010/11 when they had just come 2 shots from a title the year before, won 56 games that year (more than 2009 or 2010), and were all except Ray younger than LeBron is now....that's some low-quality posting.

They gonna claim Celtics were in 2010/11 when Ray was the OLDEST rotation player on the team, and then count him as a star that saved LeBron in 2013 when he was another two years older than that. Ray was STARTING for LeBron's Heat in the 2014 Finals and y'all claim he should have won the title that year, dumbasses.

Have your stan wars. Miserable fukks.

This isnt stan war shyt. I dont care about that shyt anymore. I'm just trying to keep it a buck. Realistically if you want to give lebron so much credit for making it to the finals, you have to ding him for losing so much in the finals as well. Especially when you factor in the majority of the real superstars played in the west during his dominance. I'm just asking for a fair evaluation. You name the top 10 players in the league for lebrons finals run and each year 7 to 9 of them were in the west. And basketball is a superstar dominant game. What lebron did is impressive for sure, but to be fair to the other competitors in the game past and present, context needs to be added cause it's not as cut and dry as some fans act

 

[Boonapalist]

Those are the fans who have the most to say about Bron pre and post-2016. This thread had nothing to do with Kobe yet look where we are now.

That’s because this forum probably has the most rabid Kobe stan base on the internet. Like Swag’s dumb ass for example. Realgm, Twitter, Insidehoops, and Reddit have been mostly Jordan and Lebron stans going at it since that time period.

 

[Dwight Howard]

LeBron has won more playoff games and a higher % of his playoff games than anyone else in the 21st century. If he loses too much than who wins? You gonna name someone who missed the playoffs multiple years or went down in the 1st round as if that's somehow better than making the Finals?




I don't even have energy for the idiot stan wars anymore, but the idiot who claimed the Celtics were in 2010/11 when they had just come 2 shots from a title the year before, won 56 games that year (more than 2009 or 2010), and were all except Ray younger than LeBron is now....that's some low-quality posting.

They gonna claim Celtics were in 2010/11 when Ray was the OLDEST rotation player on the team, and then count him as a star that saved LeBron in 2013 when he was another two years older than that. Ray was STARTING for LeBron's Heat in the 2014 Finals and y'all claim he should have won the title that year, dumbasses.

Have your stan wars. Miserable fukks.

This dude mad as fukk. The reality is that celtics team was washed, it's not even up for debate. And ray did save bron with that shot. Both are true.

 

[Sterling Archer]

6-24

And led BOTH teams in scoring while being double teamed almost the entire game.
Second leading rebounder for BOTH teams by a large margin with 15rbs behind Pau's 18
Took the assignment of defending Rondo, chasing the goddamn league leader in assists point guard around the whole game.
Still the most defended Finals series and game in the last 15yrs for both teams.

Yeah, its crazy he finished with 24/15/2stl. He shouldnt have had 12pts considering he was double teamed by the best defensive in the NBA. Its not like he had, 8pts in a Finals game being left wide open.

 

[Chris Cool]

I remember somebody on here said LeBron's the only player in history whose legacy gets stronger the more finals loses.

 

[Big Boss]

I remember somebody on here said LeBron's the only player in history whose legacy gets stronger the more finals loses.