‘Pluribus’ - New Psychological Sci-Fi Series from Vince Gilligan (Starring Rhea Seehorn) | Apple TV+ (11/7)

[GoldenGlove]

First post in this thread, my apologies if this has been discussed/mentioned... I went back and skipped through pages to just gauge thecoli's sentiment on the season was. Here's my take...

This show is an analogy for AI's impact on humanity and society as we know it.

The Joining represents LLMs and AI agents that have the knowledge base of the entire internet. Data and information that humans provided since the internet became a thing. Getting more specific and nerdy, but beyond just your typical chatbot, the Joined people are essentially a RAG model that only references specific information when a query is called. The exposition throughout elaborates on this concept. When "they" talked about Carol's books they referenced one of her die-hard fans to stroke her ego. By default, "they" aim to give the user what they think they want unless they're told not to...

The remaining survivors are various assimilation case studies. Carol for most of the season was vehemently against interacting with or using "them" for anything. Much like the Latin breh from South America. To me, they're the people who see where this technology is going and either refuse to use it or choose to remain ignorant about it. Traveling 10k K/M by car and foot instead of taking a flight from "them" is symbolic to how strongly some creatives/professionals feel about using AI at all.

The dude flying Air Force 1 and living it up in Vegas is your superuser who fully grasps the personalization benefits that "they" can do for him and whatever he wants, remember, "we just want to make you happy"

This season felt like this was Vince's way of saying fukk AI in the film industry. He's akin to Carol and Manousos as far as the implementation of AI tools in this space.



When Carol started her investigation and asking "them" questions, that's when it was really clear to me what the show was getting at.

They provide whatever information or request is asked of them... Even if it's for a live grenade or an atom bomb. They don't say no. Their entire existence is built upon the experiences and knowledge of humans training them to make them better.

Ironically enough, in future seasons I wouldn't be surprised if "they" realize that once all of the remaining people join them that "they" really have little to no purpose in their current state. They are ultimate servants, when there is no one to serve, what happens next?

 

[CHICAGO]

First post in this thread, my apologies if this has been discussed/mentioned... I went back and skipped through pages to just gauge thecoli's sentiment on the season was. Here's my take...

This show is an analogy for AI's impact on humanity and society as we know it.

The Joining represents LLMs and AI agents that have the knowledge base of the entire internet. Data and information that humans provided since the internet became a thing. Getting more specific and nerdy, but beyond just your typical chatbot, the Joined people are essentially a RAG model

The remaining survivors are various assimilation case studies. Carol for most of the season was vehemently against interacting with or using "them" for anything. Much like the Latin breh from South America. To me, they're the people who see where this technology is going and either refuse to use it or choose to remain ignorant about it. Traveling 10k K/M by car and foot instead of taking a flight from "them" is symbolic to how strongly some creatives/professionals feel about using AI at all.

The dude flying Air Force 1 and living it up in Vegas is your superuser who fully grasps the personalization benefits that "they" can do for him and whatever he wants, remember, "we just want to make you happy"

This season felt like this was Vince's way of saying fukk AI in the film industry. He's akin to Carol and Manousos as far as the implementation of AI tools in this space.



When Carol started her investigation and asking "them" questions, that's when it was really clear to me what the show was getting at.

They provide whatever information or request is asked of them... Even if it's for a live grenade or an atom bomb. They don't say no. Their entire existence is built upon the experiences and knowledge of humans training them to make them better.

Ironically enough, in future seasons I wouldn't be surprised if "they" realize that once all of the remaining people join them that "they" really have little up no purpose in their current state. They are ultimate servants, when there is no one to serve, what happens next?

DIDNT VINCE COME UP WITH THIS
IN 2012 THOUGH?

ALSO THEY WERE NEVER
HERE TO SERVE ANYONE.
12 PPL JUST HAPPENED TO
BE IMMUNE TO THE INFECTION


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[Strapped]

I started watching episode 1 & stopped after the truck scene

 

[GoldenGlove]

DIDNT VINCE COME UP WITH THIS
IN 2012 THOUGH?

ALSO THEY WERE NEVER
HERE TO SERVE ANYONE.
12 PPL JUST HAPPENED TO
BE IMMUNE TO THE INFECTION


​

I don't doubt that the idea for the show came to him years ago, but it's pretty obvious what his message is after watching this season play out.



"This show was made by humans"

He's literally Manousos in real life on this topic and the reports on how the next season may be years away further drives home the point. He's on the purist side of the debate and with all the hype this show is getting combined with how he feels about AI, it won't surprise me if the time between seasons is longer than most other shows.

These are the most stubborn types of creatives currently. And I'll just say, ultimately, whether filmmakers use AI or not is irrelevant. The audience only cares about a good story that holds their attention that entertains or enlightens them. You don't get cool points from most for making something harder to do.

 

[CHICAGO]

I don't doubt that the idea for the show came to him years ago, but it's pretty obvious what his message is after watching this season play out.



"This show was made by humans"

He's literally Manousos in real life on this topic and the reports on how the next season may be years away further drives home the point. He's on the purist side of the debate and with all the hype this show is getting combined with how he feels about AI, it won't surprise me if the time between seasons is longer than most other shows.

These are the most stubborn types of creatives currently. And I'll just say, ultimately, whether filmmakers use AI or not is irrelevant. The audience only cares about a good story that holds their attention that entertains or enlightens them. You don't get cool points from most for making something harder to do.

WELL THIS STORY ISNT GOOD




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[Goat poster]

Nikka nah. Fukk that cac.







I thank God everyday that we never got a Sopranos sequel or spinoff, never want to see my nikka David Chase go out like that.

BCS>>>> Breaking bad

 

[SunZoo]

I actually love this show, so many questions in real time and now that it is done. I love to hate Carol, to the point where I can see how some people are just turned off by her all together and won't watch but I think that's the point.

The shows description of her was is the most miserable woman on earth and she is playing that shyt to a t. I also love how polarizing it is, you got different factions of fans that love the hive and hat Carol and Manny and vice versa. You got people on in both camps talking nonsense and making really, really good points that have implications beyond the show itself and how we see one another.

I'm of the theory that the solution that Carol, who is the Christ/messianic figure of the show is going to reintegrate the hive into individuation without severing the connection and bring about the evolution of both humanity and the virus with her new book.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

BCS>>>> Breaking bad

 

[phillycavsfan]

I don't doubt that the idea for the show came to him years ago, but it's pretty obvious what his message is after watching this season play out.



"This show was made by humans"

He's literally Manousos in real life on this topic and the reports on how the next season may be years away further drives home the point. He's on the purist side of the debate and with all the hype this show is getting combined with how he feels about AI, it won't surprise me if the time between seasons is longer than most other shows.

These are the most stubborn types of creatives currently. And I'll just say, ultimately, whether filmmakers use AI or not is irrelevant. The audience only cares about a good story that holds their attention that entertains or enlightens them. You don't get cool points from most for making something harder to do.

We're consumers, most of us don't care how the meal gets made. Execs don't care about the process either.

When Gilligan and his Breaking Bad writers came up with the idea of foreshadowing Walter White having a machine gun in his trunk, they didn't know how they were gonna use the machine gun by the time the first episode of the final season aired. Gilligan said he spent much of that final season banging his head on walls trying to pay off that scene. It almost didn't work.

A lot of creatives like that struggle because it makes the pay off of coming up with great ideas more gratifying. It's not about cool points, it's about the moments that make the (mostly miserable) job worth it. As a consumer, I'd rather have a showrunner home run or strikeout than single all the time.

I always remember another showrunner, David Simon (The Wire, We Own This City), being asked if he'd want to use AI to help him write and make his life easier, and his immediate response was to say he'd rather kill himself.

 

[GoldenGlove]

We're consumers, most of us don't care how the meal gets made. Execs don't care about the process either.

When Gilligan and his Breaking Bad writers came up with the idea of foreshadowing Walter White having a machine gun in his trunk, they didn't know how they were gonna use the machine gun by the time the first episode of the final season aired. Gilligan said he spent much of that final season banging his head on walls trying to pay off that scene. It almost didn't work.

A lot of creatives like that struggle because it makes the pay off of coming up with great ideas more gratifying. It's not about cool points, it's about the moments that make the (mostly miserable) job worth it. As a consumer, I'd rather have a showrunner home run or strikeout than single all the time.

I always remember another showrunner, David Simon (The Wire, We Own This City), being asked if he'd want to use AI to help him write and make his life easier, and his immediate response was to say he'd rather kill himself.

Shortsighted response.

A good follow-up question would be to ask if he feels that strongly about the tech being used in any capacity for his projects and amongst his production/marketing teams.

 

[rantanamo]

The show is about the pacification of the population through the media and the monoculture modern platforms have created.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

@hex What's your verdict?

 

[phillycavsfan]

Shortsighted response.

A good follow-up question would be to ask if he feels that strongly about the tech being used in any capacity for his projects and amongst his production/marketing teams.

I'm guessing he'd be against it, since it deprives people of jobs. But journalists aren't going to ask a showrunner about marketing, only about the creation of a show since that's his job.

 

[OsO]

Interesting premise. But they essentially gave us half a season. Not waiting around for Season 2, I'll catch the summaries

 

[hex]

@hex What's your verdict?

I'm wild far behind on TV shows, I liked the first two episodes though.

Fred.