Policy matters

[dangerranger]

I am curious about voters in this upcoming election. There is often times talk that both Hillary and Trump are bad. Yes, looking at them and what they've done, said, and been involved with is some seriously bad sh*t.

My question is are ppl voting based on the candidate or based on policies? As much as the candidate matters (Hillary is shady as f*ck and Donald is a shoot first maybe think later racist) but do ppl even read up on their policies Bc that's what's really going to affect all of us. Obviously one candidate's policy has to be worse than the others in an overall sense right?

I mean for the last few days I've been going to different sites reading up on policies and not gonna lie it's hard as f*ck to understand everything. I took hours doing this so I know most don't. But I'm curious to why ppl don't inform themselves on what really will happen Bc this stuff only begins November 8th. Not ends like most think. Thoughts?

Also why is it so f'n hard to understand policies. They don't explain things well at all. The closest I've seen someone break it down is the vlog brothers.

 

[StatUS]

What policies confuse you the most?

 

[dangerranger]

What policies confuse you the most?

How republicans plan to repeal Obamacare and what they will replace it with?

Trump's plan on childcare and deductions.

How does Hillary really plan to make 4 year college debt free?

Will cutting down the number of tax brackets really result in lower taxes for all classes and if so is it truly better than making sure the wealthy pay their assigned tax rate instead of being able to go lower than that of the middle class?

 

[StatUS]

How republicans plan to repeal Obamacare and what they will replace it with?

They want to repeal it with a plan were you're not required to buy healthcare but instead companies will be able to sell across state lines to be able to compete with each other to "lower prices." The problem with that is it will just raise cost more because then insurance companies will have all the say in what their prices will be. Also Obamacare is required to cover people with pre-existing conditions, weight, gender, etc. With a free market approach it's doubtful that those type of things stay in and will probably be changed to "pools" where high risk people are selected to get coverage. Also if you've been hearing in the news that Obamacare prices are rising it, that only effects people who buy their own care. Most people who get insurance through their employer or government are fine. It's still an issue though. I think at the least we should have a public option where if people want government provided care they can do so without having to meet a certain requirement. Hillary's mentioned being in favor of that but I doubt she'd fight for it.

Trump's plan on childcare and deductions.

I don't know as much on this but I think he just wants to deduct the cost of child care from taxes. But it seems like their are certain criteria to meet (stay at home, adopted kids or not, can't be gay?). I think Clinton just wants to expand child care programs to make them chepear. Both want maternity leave but I think Clinton's is longer and covers men and woman.

How does Hillary really plan to make 4 year college debt free?

Your guess is as good as mine. Bernie's plan was to tax Wall Street speculation. Her's is to raise taxes on the wealthy and close loopholes. But that's what everybody says and she doesn't really go into detail about it. And with her top donors being banks I doubt it's a top priority right now. We'll see.

Will cutting down the number of tax brackets really result in lower taxes for all classes and if so is it truly better than making sure the wealthy pay their assigned tax rate instead of being able to go lower than that of the middle class?

I might be biased here but no cutting taxes on the wealthiest has never been proven to work in this country. The rich don't let the money trickle down they keep it and pass it on to their next generation while the middle class is caught holding the water to keep alot of of things going in our infrastructure. Tax plans are very polarizing though so I don't want to sway either way there.

 

[dangerranger]

They want to repeal it with a plan were you're not required to buy healthcare but instead companies will be able to sell across state lines to be able to compete with each other to "lower prices." The problem with that is it will just raise cost more because then insurance companies will have all the say in what their prices will be. Also Obamacare is required to cover people with pre-existing conditions, weight, gender, etc. With a free market approach it's doubtful that those type of things stay in and will probably be changed to "pools" where high risk people are selected to get coverage. Also if you've been hearing in the news that Obamacare prices are rising it, that only effects people who buy their own care. Most people who get insurance through their employer or government are fine. It's still an issue though. I think at the least we should have a public option where if people want government provided care they can do so without having to meet a certain requirement. Hillary's mentioned being in favor of that but I doubt she'd fight for it.


I don't know as much on this but I think he just wants to deduct the cost of child care from taxes. But it seems like their are certain criteria to meet (stay at home, adopted kids or not, can't be gay?). I think Clinton just wants to expand child care programs to make them chepear. Both want maternity leave but I think Clinton's is longer and covers men and woman.


Your guess is as good as mine. Bernie's plan was to tax Wall Street speculation. Her's is to raise taxes on the wealthy and close loopholes. But that's what everybody says and she doesn't really go into detail about it. And with her top donors being banks I doubt it's a top priority right now. We'll see.


I might be biased here but no cutting taxes on the wealthiest has never been proven to work in this country. The rich don't let the money trickle down they keep it and pass it on to their next generation while the middle class is caught holding the water to keep alot of of things going in our infrastructure. Tax plans are very polarizing though so I don't want to sway either way there.

Thanks man. I came to mostly the same conclusions on these things as you but I wasn't even sure if my interpretation was right because I was reading things from all different sources. That's my problem no one explains these things in regular terms so what the hell are ppl voting on Bc most don't bother educating themselves to even know half of this.

In fact outside of higher learning I don't think most posters know. Even some of the posters here some of the stuff I read from them has me like something ain't right here

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

A private health insurance company should have the right to refuse coverage though. Forcing them to accept everyone is ridiculous. Applying for health insurance if you already have a serious health condition is like applying for car insurance after you've already gotten into an accident and filing a claim.

It's the cost of healthcare that needs to come down, but hospitals are expensive to maintain.

 

[StatUS]

A private health insurance company should have the right to refuse coverage though. Forcing them to accept everyone is ridiculous. Applying for health insurance if you already have a serious health condition is like applying for car insurance after you've already gotten into an accident and filing a claim.

It's the cost of healthcare that needs to come down, but hospitals are expensive to maintain.

There was more to it than just serious illnesses. They had reportedly over 400 ways to deny millions from coverage. It was a shyt show and needed to change.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

There was more to it than just serious illnesses. They had reportedly over 400 ways to deny millions from coverage. It was a shyt show and needed to change.

i'm sure they wouldn't be denying these people coverage if it were cost effective for them. they can't be in business to lose money.

if they feel someone is too high a risk for them to insure, it's their right isn't it?

 

[StatUS]

i'm sure they wouldn't be denying these people coverage if it were cost effective for them. they can't be in business to lose money.

if they feel someone is too high a risk for them to insure, it's their right isn't it?

Health care being a business is another issue but when it gets to the point where they were finding any little thing to deny people coverage you have a big problem.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Health care being a business is another issue but when it gets to the point where they were finding any little thing to deny people coverage you have a big problem.

requiring a health insurance company to cover people they deem to be too high of a risk creates an even bigger problem.

 

[StatUS]

requiring a health insurance company to cover people they deem to be too high of a risk creates an even bigger problem.

Except alot of times they made those risks up or over exaggerated their severity. They weren't just denying people with months to live or terminal illnesses breh.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Except alot of times they made those risks up or over exaggerated their severity. They weren't just denying people with months to live or terminal illnesses breh.

it's not up for you or me to determine who they deem too high a risk. again i believe that is their right.

perhaps if there were more companies competing in the marketplace, another company might look to scoop up all the people being denied elsewhere.

 

[StatUS]

it's not up for you or me to determine who they deem too high a risk. again i believe that is their right.

Corporations aren't people no matter what the right says. They're built to squeeze every penny and when you infuse that into health care you get to the point where everyone is potentially "high risk."

perhaps if there were more companies competing in the marketplace, another company might look to scoop up all the people being denied elsewhere.

Yes, lord free market will save us all!

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Corporations aren't people no matter what the right says. They're built to squeeze every penny and when you infuse that into health care you get to the point where everyone is potentially "high risk."

well if they refuse everyone coverage then how do you think they plan on making money?

 

[StatUS]

well if they refuse everyone coverage then how do you think they plan on making money?

Not what I said, nice try though. There's 10s of millions of people with pre existing conditions that they could have potentially denied for the smallest issues just to "save profits."

Not even to mention the fact that they bring in billions upon billions of dollars, Obamacare or not.