Policy matters

[Kill Dat Noize]

Hilarious & sad to see anyone who isn't wealthy HARD AS fukk for the ruling class. shyt is

As much disdain should be directed towards them as we direct towards c00ns

Believing you aren't entitled to free shyt doesn't mean you are caping for the ruling class.

 

[Saiyajin]

A health insurance company isn't allowed to discriminate on gender or ethnicity.

why not? didnt you say they have the as a private corporation have right to choose who they provide insurance too?

if a massive health insurance corporation decided, no point providing coverage to black people its not profitable enough just deny em we'll make more in the long run, would that be ok?

 

[JahFocus CS]

Believing you aren't entitled to free shyt doesn't mean you are caping for the ruling class.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

why not? didnt you say they have the as a private corporation have right to choose who they provide insurance too?

if a massive health insurance corporation decided, no point providing coverage to black people its not profitable enough just deny em we'll make more in the long run, would that be ok?

Once again there would need to be medical grounds for them to deny coverage.

But since you're insistent on getting an answer, if say a coffee shop owner decide to refuse service to black people... safe to say he would go out of business due to sheer public outcry and the fact that he would be shrinking his customer base by too wide a margin.

Fact is no one is forcing you to spend your money there. If you have a problem with an owner and you morally object to the way he conducts himself, just don't support him. I know I wouldn't.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Why are you entitled to healthcare? Serious question?

 

[Saiyajin]

Once again there would need to be medical grounds for them to deny coverage.

But since you're insistent on getting an answer, if say a coffee shop owner decide to refuse service to black people... safe to say he would go out of business due to sheer public outcry and the fact that he would be shrinking his customer base by too wide a margin.

Fact is no one is forcing you to spend your money there. If you have a problem with an owner and you morally object to the way he conducts himself, just don't support him. I know I wouldn't.

so you do support regulations since you said they need medical grounds to deny coverage. If that regulation is ok why isn't the regulation that they can't deny service at all not ok?

why would a coffee shop owner go out of business if they refused to serve black people? No businesses had significant issues back during the Jim Crow era. The tyranny of the majority is a very real thing, the purpose of the republic is to protect the minority from this.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

so you do support regulations since you said they need medical grounds to deny coverage. If that regulation is ok why isn't the regulation that they can't deny service at all not ok?

why would a coffee shop owner go out of business if they refused to serve black people? No businesses had significant issues back during the Jim Crow era. The tyranny of the majority is a very real thing, the purpose of the republic is to protect the minority from this.

let's say you didn't have car insurance and you just got into an accident, do you think GEICO should be obligated to cover you if you called them and applied for insurance? that's the same thing as having a recurring illness and expecting a health insurance company to provide payment for healthcare. if they see that you're a health risk and that you're likely going to take a lot more out of the pot then you contribute, how can you expect them to cover you? what if they did that with everyone?

and yes in 2016 any company that openly denied service to black people would be blackballed and if you think otherwise then maybe you spend too much time on the coli. contrary to popular belief the majority of americans aren't racists and the thought of something like that would compel them to not spend their money there. look how quickly the owner of the clippers was replaced when he got caught on that audio tape. the nba knew if he didn't step down the franchise was fukked.

the only color capitalism recognizes is green.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Why are you entitled to healthcare? Serious question?

Because if you want to even have the pretense of a civilized society, people should have security when it comes to health, shelter, food, etc.

If the capacity is there to provide for all, it should be done. People aren't unable to receive care due to a shortage of health care professionals. It's due to the dictates of capital.

I oppose the commodification of life and all its aspects. Privatized health care is not in the interests of the working class.

 

[JahFocus CS]

@DEAD7 you got some competition for those CATO checks

 

[Saiyajin]

let's say you didn't have car insurance and you just got into an accident, do you think GEICO should be obligated to cover you if you called them and applied for insurance? that's the same thing as having a recurring illness and expecting a health insurance company to provide payment for healthcare. if they see that you're a health risk and that you're likely going to take a lot more out of the pot then you contribute, how can you expect them to cover you? what if they did that with everyone?

and yes in 2016 any company that openly denied service to black people would be blackballed and if you think otherwise then maybe you spend too much time on the coli. contrary to popular belief the majority of americans aren't racists and the thought of something like that would compel them to not spend their money there. look how quickly the owner of the clippers was replaced when he got caught on that audio tape. the nba knew if he didn't step down the franchise was fukked.

the only color capitalism recognizes is green.

the difference is driving a car is a luxury or privilege. people who cant afford insurance simply dont drive. they take the bus. because if they were to get into an accident it would bankrupt them.

survival is not the same as driving a car. people who can't afford insurance are fukked. they can't just stop living. The government should enforce that right and the health care system should be structured in a way to protect the right to live. Single payer health care is the most obvious answer that for some reason the rest of the world has already figured out. We pay more for our current healthcare system than we would for universal single payer healthcare. How silly is that

 

[JahFocus CS]

they can't just stop living.

Yes, they can. The market weeds out the people who contribute minimally to society.

 

[Saiyajin]

Yes, they can. The market weeds out the people who contribute minimally to society.

in that case it should weed out the CEOs who does nothing but collect millions and allow the laborers to prosper

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

you bleeding heart libs and socialists... always talkin about 'rights'. this is clearly some bullshyt you guys made up because there is no evidence in nature of this being the truth. if food and shelter were god given rights then nature would provide them to us at birth.

it's up to YOU to put food in your stomach. its up to YOU to find shelter. it is nobody else's responsibility. and if your food and shelter aren't anyone else's responsibility you can damn sure believe your healthcare and education aren't anyone else's responsibility. you live in america. work a job, learn a skill, and make yourself valuable so that you can provide those things for yourself.

now yes I do think we should strive to make these things more attainable and affordable but to suggest that you are ENTITLED to these things is ridiculous because at the end of the day someone has to pay for it.

 

[Tom Foolery]

This thread started off good too.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

what im saying is corporations being considered persons is not a tax classification or legal jargon

they are literally considered people so much so that the 1st amendment applies to them as much as it does to me or you.

Justice Kennedy's majority opinion[24] found that the BCRA §203 prohibition of all independent expenditures by corporations and unions violated the First Amendment's protection of free speech. The majority wrote, "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech.

Theres a basic question there about whether money is free speech and whether a company should be allowed to spend their money. It's a huge issue, I agree, but I like to see all sides of it.