::POLL:: When determining your "GOAT", which factor is the *MOST* IMPORTANT when Deciding your #1

[The Ruler 09]

And also elements such as lyrics, flow, creativity, substance, delivery, everything that makes up an artist. Limitless aspects though. Pac is my GOAT because he had the diversity within his music, has so many classic songs, KRS-One up there because of the incredible content and music he's done, the unique way he would tackle topics, styles, so much, and K-Rino up there for incredible lyrical ability, amazing diverse body of work, that emotionally touches you and verbally impresses, and Nas for aspects amoung many great albums and classic songs, and certainly creativity, he has a lot of concept/creative songs which I really respect.

 

[mobbinfms]

exactly don't respond to that bullshyt me against the world all eyez on me 7 day theory etc
are all classic albums.

But are they groundbreaking though? And this isn't a question of opinion - but rather what the consensus is.

 

[the rhyme king]

But are they groundbreaking though? And this isn't a question of opinion - but rather what the consensus is.

i don't care about consensus in regards to what i personally like it's irrelevant because what u think is classic i might not think is classic
im basically not conforming to anybody's opinion or view of things.

 

[the rhyme king]

also here are the list of reasons of why pac si the goat for me imo

prolific writer
great lyricist
great catalog
great flow
sold more albums and music then anybody in rap history.

 

[Leti Cook]

This...

That choice wasnt listed so i picked entire catalogue.

Lets be reality: i listen to certain artists EVERYDAY 9/10... lets use Curren$y for example. but people would call me crazy if i had them listed higher on my list than one of these nikkas who gets no play from me a la Nas/Rakim/KRS One

that's where i'm at with it. I'd put nikkas like Chamillionaire or Mystikal in my 10 over consensus greats like Nas or Rakim because I spent my formative years jamming their shyt religiously.I never fukked with a Nas album and not for lack of trying. But you sound like you don't know shyt about hiphop when you say 400 Degreez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illmatic...but...fukk all that. Its opinion. Its valid. If YOU think Curren$Y better, he better

 

[The Ruler 09]

Surprised entire catalog is getting so many votes. I overlook the subpar material from all artists when evaluating them. Everyone has subpar material.

I took that more as like there body of work on a whole, like how it helps them.

 

[Mike Otherz]

u missed an important category. most great songs. song for song >>> classic album to me.


in that case, Pac, Krs, Scarface, Nas, Ice Cube.

with the edge going to Krs just for his rap dignity.

 

[The Ruler 09]

And based on the criteria here...

Lyrical content/complexity - K-Rino has has both to a high level.

Flow/Delivery/Presentation - Big Pun

Album Sales - 2 Pac

Classic Albums - KRS-One

Longevity - KRS-One

Impact - 2 Pac

Being A Pioneer - KRS-One

Years At A High Level Commercially - Jay Z

Catalogue - 2 Pac

 

[The Ruler 09]

u missed an important category. most great songs. song for song >>> classic album to me.


in that case, Pac, Krs, Scarface, Nas, Ice Cube.

with the edge going to Krs just for his rap dignity.

Yeah most great songs definitely comes into it to me, I took entire catalogue to include all songs though.

 

[mobbinfms]

i don't care about consensus in regards to what i personally like it's irrelevant because what u think is classic i might not think is classic
im basically not conforming to anybody's opinion or view of things.

Some people have awful opinions though...consensus is objectivity (to a degree). You can't just say Lil Zane's album is the GOAT and then be like - "well, that's my opinion".

 

[mobbinfms]

you sound like you don't know shyt about hiphop when you say 400 Degreez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illmatic

Agreed.

 

[the rhyme king]

Some people have awful opinions though...consensus is objectivity (to a degree). You can't just say Lil Zane's album is the GOAT and then be like - "well, that's my opinion".

well that is if u have no basis for it like u saying it just to be saying it.

 

[mobbinfms]

well that is if u have no basis for it like u saying it just to be saying it.

Its an extreme example - but it illustrates the principle. Put it this way - if you have 100 bonafide hip hop heads, and 99 think Illmatic is a GOAT contender album - but one says its not - that's valuable information to have right? That 99 out of 100 say yes? Therefore - consensus has value in this discussion.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

1. Content, but not in the complexity of the lyrics, just the content and stories they deliver - I could really care less how many multis and metaphors you can spit
2. Flow delivery

 

[the rhyme king]

Its an extreme example - but it illustrates the principle. Put it this way - if you have 100 bonafide hip hop heads, and 99 think Illmatic is a GOAT contender album - but one says its not - that's valuable information to have right? That 99 out of 100 say yes? Therefore - consensus has value in this discussion.

well it depends because to me most def imo illmatic is a classic but if somebody says it is not a classic who am i to say it isn't to them.