Popovich says Euro Players work harder

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And those hyped players are generally more talented than those European pros .
:ufdup:exactly they are pros . Alot of players in college aren't the same thing they are expected to be full time students and players , they don't exactly have time to work a 9 to 5 on top of that . And then to top it off they get a meal from someone they can lose they damn scholarships :snoop: it's no real benefit to stay in college unless you need to build up draft stock. the Nba coaches need to adapt and find a way to reach the players

:what: what the hell any of this have to do with what i said?
 

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Translation: AA's are lazy as sh*t. Is he lyin' though? How many talented AA players never develop because their lazy, or fall off after they lose their athleticism? Vince Carter? Kwame Brown? Michael Beasley? How does Lebron still not have a jumper after 8 years in the L, yet he calls himself the King? Pop ain't lyin' :mjpls:
 

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So have you been to europe? :usure:

I've been in Europe for 15 years now and @yseJ is right.

Listen, Pop's been coaching international players for decades now and he knows what he's saying, if you want to question a guy with multiple championships and one of the GOAT winning percentages, do you, or if some want to make it a racial issue despite the numerous examples of black international players already given in this very thread, have fun. Most internationals who come in are already pros, play in countries where bball is nowhere on the media, and aren't worshipped since they were 16. Dirk was playing in goddamn 2nd Division in GERMANY, Parker wasn't even playing that much in France. Ginobili was a 6-year pro and a Euroleague MVP when he got to the US, shyt look at Prigioni this year with the Knicks. Dudes come in ready, and humble, because they're like :gladbron: I'm in the NBA, while the Dwight Howards of the League have been given the keys to the city and millions of dollars before even developing a post-move.
 
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Pop has:

Parker
Splitter
Manu
Diaw
Mills (Aus)
Baynes (Aus)
DeColo

on the roster. I think he knows a thing or two about International ballers brehs

Hate to have to be this guy but more than half of those players arent "Euros" :usure:

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Euros will be pros for 5 years before getting to the league. They know how to be a pro. Where as American kids are 1 and done, Aau hyped ass dudes who think they're untouchable.

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25 year old euro who had to work to make teams is more coachable than a 19 year old who had his ass kisses his whole life cause he's nice at basketball
 

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Translation: AA's are lazy as sh*t. Is he lyin' though? How many talented AA players never develop because their lazy, or fall off after they lose their athleticism? Vince Carter? Kwame Brown? Michael Beasley? How does Lebron still not have a jumper after 8 years in the L, yet he calls himself the King? Pop ain't lyin' :mjpls:
I don't know if you're trolling/joking or not^^ but on the flip side how many AA players do develop and become better players

LeBron James
Kobe
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Paul George
Hibbert
Rondo
Kyrie Irving
James Harden
etc etc etc

-So I guess these guys don't practice, weight train, and work on their game. I guess it all came naturally and its the "extra muscle" blacks athletes have in their legs as opposed to whites. Yes some of these guys were pampered early on in high school and AAU but they still had to perform and show and prove to be a top player in the NBA. There is no nepotism like a Will Smith putting his son Jaden in a summer blockbuster film.

-Yes of course you're going to have casualty stories of players who fell off. That's sports in general. Whether you're a African American pro athlete or you work a regular 9-5 job.. This is the basically the old saying of 'blacks don't work hard' in so many words. As a AA male who works 40+ hours a week this is one thing that gets under my skin.

Outside of a few exceptions(tony parker, dirk, rubio, and a few) these Euros aren't bringing much to the table. 7 footers who refuse to bang in the paint instead they shoot threes, I don't see much defense in them at all but they sure can make a nice and proper bounce pass:shaq2:gtfoh
 

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NBA coaches are already for the most part players coaches....more than any other sports Id say.

Half the battle these days is being coachable. Its a matter of these talented players putting their ego's aside at some point and buying in. The Spurs arent the most talented team in the league. Id say for sure theyre the most well coached...and half of that if not more is being coachable.
I dont understand why this is so hard for people to see

pop is one of the coaches who wants his whole squad to buy in and do exactly as told. even though Duncan and Parker are hall of famers, this is still his team first and foremost.
 

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When you make a sweeping generalization without specifics, you open yourself up for interpretation. Blame Pop.....

It was quotes pulled from an interview. Not a dissertation.

What facts am I ignoring?....And what are Euro players doing more than American NBA players? Its a simple question....

Again - you're need to quantify it - demanding numbers or statistical studies to back up an answer he gives about his experience is stilly and transparent.

Just answer it

This doesn't make sense.

The level of professionalism, although warranted,

You used warranted incorrectly.

does not equate that they work harder....They all have to go through the same practices, drills, conditioning, and rules as their American counterparts......

So everyone doing the same drills now means everyone is working at an equal pace and quality?


And as I stated, if POP would have given an example of what TP does more than CP3\Rondo to warrant the label of harder worker, then it would have been cool..

He hasn't coached CP3 or Rondo. This is :troll:.

Or, he can tells us why Thiago Splitter is a harder worker than Roy Hibbert

He hasn't coached Hibbert. And it's not a 1-to-1 comparison. It's his take. And he's obviously been successful with his

And talent does come into play. When you have talent, you make things look easier......

That has nothing with what he's talking about. Again.

And if you're barely on a roster, of course you do extra stuff to keep a paycheck...So apples need to be compared to apples


The problem here is, you simply don't know what the fukk you're talking about. You can't even keep your metaphors straight.

1. We don't have the original source material, only quotes pulled from a conversation - that use a single 'apostrophe' no less.
2. He was talking in reference to the old mentality that european players were too soft, and not talented enough to play in the nba, and was - essentially - defending the european basketball player.
3. Your request to have him compare players he has coached to players he has not coached is so fukking retarded, it defies the logical pathways of thought.
4. He is right, the upbringing of the average pro-level european player is more structured, more grueling, more coached, and more demanding than that of the average pro-level US prospect. Most are put into professional level programs at a young age 12,13,14 - and are fed through their pro ranks from there. They are less coddled, they are given less choices, they live a far more spartan lifestyle.
5. The difference between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th guys off an NBA bench, and the starters in the top euroleagues is non-existant. While european players may not make up the elite of the nba, there have certainly been some superstars and stars, Dirk, Pau, Marc, Manu, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan if you give it a leash (pop considers him International, he considers himself international). Your take on the "european talent" is myopic and stuck in the 80's. Top Euroleagues are far, far, far stronger than college basketball, with better players and better coaches. Which some young "top prospects" have learned over the last few years.
6. Finally - the insinuation that Greg Popovich - of all people - has to tell you shyt, or explain shyt to you is the highest of high comedy. He's up 2-1 on LeBron/Wade/Bosh with his collection of 'euros' that - according to you - aren't as talented as american players. And their schemes, both offensive and defensive, are running circles around - and confounding - the best player in modern basketball. He said that he has found them more coachable than young american players - thats' his experience. He's proven over and over that he can use european players - often considered less 'talented' than their contemporaries - and win with them. The perfect examples being Parker and Manu: Who are never considered among the elites of their position, but somehow have amassed historic winning %'s and a grip of rings with Tim Duncan. Who is from St. Croix - and was so lightly recruited as a result, that he almost ended up at the University of Hartford. And he's the greatest power forward of all time. Bar none. From St. Croix. Which was Danish until about a 100 years ago. Guys want to turn this into a race thing, Pop didn't say a thing about black or white. Diaw is french, and pop loves his fat ass.

Also, Andrew Wiggins is about to shatter this entire 'international players aren't as gifted as americans' thing. Black Thundering Nubian Celestial Canadian Dunker Disher and Swisher, having ignorantly-argumentative twats on this board lookin like :lupe:
 
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I've been in Europe for 15 years now and @yseJ is right.

Listen, Pop's been coaching international players for decades now and he knows what he's saying, if you want to question a guy with multiple championships and one of the GOAT winning percentages, do you, or if some want to make it a racial issue despite the numerous examples of black international players already given in this very thread, have fun. Most internationals who come in are already pros, play in countries where bball is nowhere on the media, and aren't worshipped since they were 16. Dirk was playing in goddamn 2nd Division in GERMANY, Parker wasn't even playing that much in France. Ginobili was a 6-year pro and a Euroleague MVP when he got to the US, shyt look at Prigioni this year with the Knicks. Dudes come in ready, and humble, because they're like :gladbron: I'm in the NBA, while the Dwight Howards of the League have been given the keys to the city and millions of dollars before even developing a post-move.

:shaq2:

And to no avail, there is not one single instance of what a Euro player does in the NBA, as opposed to their American counterparts, that makes them harder workers....


But I will let yall tell it...
 
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The problem here is, you simply don't know what the fukk you're talking about. You can't even keep your metaphors straight.

1. We don't have the original source material, only quotes pulled from a conversation - that use a single 'apostrophe' no less.
2. He was talking in reference to the old mentality that european players were too soft, and not talented enough to play in the nba, and was - essentially - defending the european basketball player.
3. Your request to have him compare players he has coached to players he has not coached is so fukking retarded, it defies the logical pathways of thought.
4. He is right, the upbringing of the average pro-level european player is more structured, more grueling, more coached, and more demanding than that of the average pro-level US prospect. Most are put into professional level programs at a young age 12,13,14 - and are fed through their pro ranks from there. They are less coddled, they are given less choices, they live a far more spartan lifestyle.
5. The difference between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th guys off an NBA bench, and the starters in the top euroleagues is non-existant. While european players may not make up the elite of the nba, there have certainly been some superstars and stars, Dirk, Pau, Marc, Manu, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan if you give it a leash (pop considers him International, he considers himself international). Your take on the "european talent" is myopic and stuck in the 80's. Top Euroleagues are far, far, far stronger than college basketball, with better players and better coaches. Which some young "top prospects" have learned over the last few years.
6. Finally - the insinuation that Greg Popovich - of all people - has to tell you shyt, or explain shyt to you is the highest of high comedy. He's up 2-1 on LeBron/Wade/Bosh with his collection of 'euros' that - according to you - aren't as talented as american players. And their schemes, both offensive and defensive, are running circles around - and confounding - the best player in modern basketball. He said that he has found them more coachable than young american players - thats' his experience. He's proven over and over that he can use european players - often considered less 'talented' than their contemporaries - and win with them. The perfect examples being Parker and Manu: Who are never considered among the elites of their position, but somehow have amassed historic winning %'s and a grip of rings with Tim Duncan. Who is from St. Croix - and was so lightly recruited as a result, that he almost ended up at the University of Hartford. And he's the greatest power forward of all time. Bar none. From St. Croix. Which was Danish until about a 100 years ago. Guys want to turn this into a race thing, Pop didn't say a thing about black or white. Diaw is french, and pop loves his fat ass.

Also, Andrew Wiggins is about to shatter this entire 'international players aren't as gifted as americans' thing. Black Thundering Nubian Celestial Canadian Dunker Disher and Swisher, having ignorantly-argumentative twats on this board lookin like :lupe:

Emotional rant. No substance..

Didn't address any of my points

And still no examples....What has Diaw, Parker, Ginobili,etc done, since entering the NBA, that makes them harder workers...

Yall cats man....:pachaha:


And a lot of Euros were soft. Don't let POP sell you that B.S.

But since a white authority figure says it. Its 100% factual aint it
 

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Emotional rant. No substance..

Didn't address any of my points


:heh:

I knew as soon as it had more words than a page of "Goodnight Moon" you weren't going to read it.

It was a bulleted, line-by-line breakdown of how silly your arguments are. Point for point.


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Translation: AA's are lazy as sh*t. Is he lyin' though? How many talented AA players never develop because their lazy, or fall off after they lose their athleticism? Vince Carter? Kwame Brown? Michael Beasley? How does Lebron still not have a jumper after 8 years in the L, yet he calls himself the King? Pop ain't lyin' :mjpls:

Who is better than Lebron..

Where is Ricky Rubio's jumper...He's been a pro for 7 years.....

TP just got a steady jumper 2-3 years ago....

WHere is Ibaka's jumper
 
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