Controversy
Superstar
Nash had 6 games of 25+ pts against SA in the postseason...keep in mind he wasn't a scoring pg
Amare used to give Tim work!!!!
Prime Duncan Vs Current Jokić. Who Wins?
- Thread starter Panthro11
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Nash had 6 games of 25+ pts against SA in the postseason...keep in mind he wasn't a scoring pg
Amare used to give Tim work!!!!
This isn't a resume check off lol.
Ability vs ability...
Ability vs ability...
Tim dropped 40 on Amari's head top a few times in the playoffs
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
They both gave each other buckets, Amare couldn't guard Tim either
Timmy is a top 5 player OAT, basically stopped the most dominant player to ever play in prime Shaq from 4-peating. Handed another top 10 (top 3 actually) all-time player in LeBron multiple finals losses, 1 of them one of the most lopsided ass-whoopings EVER in 2007. 15x all nba AND all-defense. Not even a debate to be had IMO 
murksiderock
Superstar
No wrong answer here. I'd lean that Jokic is the better player overall and I'd rather have him but like with any cross-era comp, there isn't a right or wrong answer because these guys didn't play each other. They are playing in an NBA 18 years apart...
Jokic is currently closing out Y9 and is the favorite to win his third MVP. Here's how they compare thru 9 years:
1997-2006 Duncan (21-30 years old)
•3x champ, 3x FMVP, 2x MVP (8x Top 5 MVP total), '00 AMVP, '98 ROY
•9x All-NBA (8x 1st), 8x All-Star, 9x All-D (6x 1st)
•3-0 Finals, 3-1 WCF
•led Spurs to 58.3 wins/year, 3x 60-wins, 6x 50-wins
•74 games played/year
2015-24 Jokic (20-29 years old)
•'23 champ, '23 FMVP, 2x MVP (4x Top 5 MVP total)
•5x All-NBA (3x 1st), 6x All-Star
•1-0 Finals, 1-1 WCF
•led Nuggets to 47.5 wins/year (on pace for 55 this year which would push yearly wins to 48.3); 4x 50-wins (projecting 5)
•plays 76.9 games/year (on pace for 79 this year)
..............
So, I know The Coliseum isn't exactly a bastion of consistency, but let's see. The lineup tells me that Duncan dominated his era more by every single measuring stick; Duncan has more championships; Duncan was the better defensive player. He was a bigger "winner" period...
So on these facts alone, I should say Duncan, correct? The fact that Jokic is able to do a variety of things in his repertoire that Duncan couldn't, the fact that Jokic is playing in a more skilled and stacked NBA, none of that holds any relevance, right?
Or is this only how it works when it's Bron being compared to Mike?
..........
For the record, I think it's close enough and both guys playing in the same era would give each other problems. But I'd rather have Jokic on my team...
Jokic is currently closing out Y9 and is the favorite to win his third MVP. Here's how they compare thru 9 years:
1997-2006 Duncan (21-30 years old)
•3x champ, 3x FMVP, 2x MVP (8x Top 5 MVP total), '00 AMVP, '98 ROY
•9x All-NBA (8x 1st), 8x All-Star, 9x All-D (6x 1st)
•3-0 Finals, 3-1 WCF
•led Spurs to 58.3 wins/year, 3x 60-wins, 6x 50-wins
•74 games played/year
2015-24 Jokic (20-29 years old)
•'23 champ, '23 FMVP, 2x MVP (4x Top 5 MVP total)
•5x All-NBA (3x 1st), 6x All-Star
•1-0 Finals, 1-1 WCF
•led Nuggets to 47.5 wins/year (on pace for 55 this year which would push yearly wins to 48.3); 4x 50-wins (projecting 5)
•plays 76.9 games/year (on pace for 79 this year)
..............
So, I know The Coliseum isn't exactly a bastion of consistency, but let's see. The lineup tells me that Duncan dominated his era more by every single measuring stick; Duncan has more championships; Duncan was the better defensive player. He was a bigger "winner" period...
So on these facts alone, I should say Duncan, correct? The fact that Jokic is able to do a variety of things in his repertoire that Duncan couldn't, the fact that Jokic is playing in a more skilled and stacked NBA, none of that holds any relevance, right?
Or is this only how it works when it's Bron being compared to Mike?
..........
For the record, I think it's close enough and both guys playing in the same era would give each other problems. But I'd rather have Jokic on my team...
viktordoomsecretwars
Superstar
Its much easier to be dominant in today's NBA than when Duncan played. Duncan is a way better player, especially when you take defense into consideration. 5 time champ for a reason
murksiderock
Superstar
2007 the Cavs only lost by 24 combined points, you're thinking about 2014----->when Duncan wasn't even Duncan anymore...Timmy is a top 5 player OAT, basically stopped the most dominant player to ever play in prime Shaq from 4-peating. Handed another top 10 (top 3 actually) all-time player in LeBron multiple finals losses, 1 of them one of the most lopsided ass-whoopings EVER in 2007. 15x all nba AND all-defense. Not even a debate to be had IMO
He managed to get a Finals win over early prime LeBron and took an L as a #2 to Peak LeBron...
We gotta stop calling Shaq tge most dominant player ever. He wasn't that in real time, I never bought it, that was straight up NBA Media marketing. Nothing suggests he was more dominant than Wilt---->he wasn't a more dominant scorer, rebounder, passer, or defender than Wilt. He didn't peak as high as Wilt...
And he wasn't more dominant than LeBron, Mike, Kareem, and probably not Peak Bird. Didn't peak as high as those first three guys...
Shaq is very likely not even one of the 5 most dominant players ever, he's at BEST 5th. I've never believed this and I remember NBA Media pushing this bullshyt in real time when he was beating up on playoff chokers in the West and eating up the weakest East teams ever in The Finals...
"The most dominant player ever" in G5 of the '04 Finals had 20 and 8 in a closeout game with his season on the line...
That Pistons front line was historically elite and I could forgive a Finals meltdown as a massive favorite if this was the only time this ever happened to him. As it turns out, this wasn't an anomaly in his career...
Yall bout to make me create this Shaq thread...
Duncan definitely arguably Top 5 but we ain't gotta gas the resume...
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Jokic might be the best passer of all time. He is also a much better shooter and scorer. To act like Duncan is a way better player than Jokic is laughable. The only thing Duncan has on Jokic is defense. That's it.
BigTyme Records
Superstar
Jokic way more dynamic on offense
viktordoomsecretwars
Superstar
You're an idiot. You remind me why I checked out of NBA discourse about a year ago and why i try not to discuss ball with new set of NBA "fans"
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Would've been a great match-up to watch.
malbaker86
Gators
One thing tho, these comparisons are great because it highlights that the youngins are giving TD his props whether they think he’s better than Jokic or not.
Remember a few years ago it was is AD better than TD?
Give it another 5-6 years and the same will be asked if Wemby is better than TD
Remember a few years ago it was is AD better than TD?
Give it another 5-6 years and the same will be asked if Wemby is better than TD
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Look at those passes. If anyone here is an idiot its you. Jokic as a big man is averagering damn near 10 assists. Duncan cant do 70% of the shyt Jokic can do on the offensive end.
Godless Socialist CEO
Superstar
One thing going for Duncan is when he came into the league, he was a far more complete player than Jokic was. Jokic was a project who recently just turned into basically all time elite player. He had a long way to go in development and he should be commended for that.
Duncan might honestly be one of the more complete players to ever set foot into the league on day 1. Where he came in and immediately became the big dog while he was playing next to a hall of famer which is crazy to think about.
Tim Duncan will always be underrated to me. I don't think people give him enough credit for how insanely good he was especially late in his career where he was killing people purely on his intelligence and was one of the most efficient players in basketball on both ends of the floor.
