Prime Iverson or Kevin Durant

[Kd35brah]

T-Mac was a more versatile scorer, Durant has is more efficient in scoring, Durant has never had to go 4 consecutive 82 games seasons without another bonafied All-star. Don't give me this 36 games nonsense as if 36 games is the end all and be all. Playoff baskeball is a much better indicator of a players worth...plain and simple. My argument stands T-Mac without injuries would have been among the pantheons of NBA legends....Kevin Durant included.

Durant has never scored less than 27.7PPG or less than .589% TS since his 3rd season in the NBA. Durant is also a better rebounder than McGrady. Mcgrady only averaged more than 27.7ppg(on crappier efficiency with the same PPG as Durant) twice, 32.1ppg in 03 and 28.1ppg in 04. Tmac only had a PER above 25.3 in 1 season that "monster stretch" when he was healthy, the 30.3 PER season where the difference between them both was 0.5. Durant has had 4 seasons above 26.2 PER with 2 of them being 28.3 and 29.8.

So Durant scored more PPG on way better efficiency than TMac ever did and was a better rebounder as well, the only thing that Tmac has Durant in is playmaking.

You say 36 games where he averaged 37ppg on godlike efficiency is a horrible sample size yet you only focus on 4 in the MEmphis series completely ignoring how he torched them in game 1 for 35 and the game winner. You also ignore the 4 games after Russ got injured where he destroyed the Rockets without him and immediately the game after Russ was gone he drops 41 point, 14 rebounds, and the game winner.

 

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Durant has never scored less than 27.7PPG or less than .589% TS since his 3rd season in the NBA. Durant is also a better rebounder than McGrady. Mcgrady only averaged more than 27.7ppg(on crappier efficiency with the same PPG as Durant) twice, 32.1ppg in 03 and 28.1ppg in 04. Tmac only had a PER above 25.3 in 1 season that "monster stretch" when he was healthy, the 30.3 PER season where the difference between them both was 0.5. Durant has had 4 seasons above 26.2 PER with 2 of them being 28.3 and 29.8.

So Durant scored more PPG on way better efficiency than TMac ever did and was a better rebounder as well, the only thing that Tmac has Durant in is playmaking.

You say 36 games where he averaged 37ppg on godlike efficiency is a horrible sample size yet you only focus on 4 in the MEmphis series completely ignoring how he torched them in game 1 for 35 and the game winner. You also ignore the 4 games after Russ got injured where he destroyed the Rockets without him and immediately the game after Russ was gone he drops 41 point, 14 rebounds, and the game winner.

I don't have to focus on that sample size, in fact I wont mention it again.

at age 22:

t-mac: 25.6ppg .451FG% .364 3pt% .748FT% 7.9rebs 5.3ast 1.6stls 1blk 2.5TO 38.3mpg
durant: 27.7ppg .462FG% .350 3pt% .880FT% 6.8rebs 2.7ast 1.1stls 1blk 2.8TO 38.9mpg

In 2003, McGrady has a regular season that was incredible. He was first in the NBA in PER, Usage, Offensive Win Shares, 3rd in overall win shares, and his turnover percentage was 6th. Considering he handled the ball a lot more frequently and created a lot more assists than anyone ahead of him in the top 5 (purely shooters like Peja and Reggie), this is a remarkable statistic that gets overloooked.

to those knocking his FG%, should already be wise enough to realize his team required the max amount of shots. I can bet you Durant would struggle to be as efficient as he is if he were on a bottom-feeder team..

Take into account, Tmac's usage rates compared to his turnover rates. For someone that handled the ball as much as him (every possession). He was at 2.5 turnovers per game for his prime, that is insane. His PER is off of the chart too during his prime for a wing, I would assume some is due to the TO to Usage rate.

He's the Ken Griffey Jr. of the nba... He could have gone down in history as one of the greatest of all time if it wasn't for his injuries & sucky teams.


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[FTBS]

your obsession with efficiency stats is bizarre. the goal is to win games. not have the high shooting %. i posted stats a while back that the team that leads the league in fg% RARELY wins the title.

Durant can be greater than AI. No one denies that. But he's done NOTHING so far of worth to warrant that consideration SINCE he's won nothing. Sure AI didn't win either, but he put in a decade plus of legendary work. Let KD put in comparable time and then we can talk. But to determine whether player X is better than player Y based solely on shooting percentages is RETARDED.

no one associated with the NBA thinks that foolishly.

In 7 years KD has matched or surpassed what AI did both individually and team wise in 14. It's truly comical for people to say KD hasn't won shyt and then "bu...bu...but" the fact that AI has never won shyt. It's dumb enough to use the rings argument for nikkas with rings...nikkas have started using it for nikkas that don't have any now.

 

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In 7 years KD has matched or surpassed what AI did both individually and team wise in 14. It's truly comical for people to say KD hasn't won shyt and then "bu...bu...but" the fact that AI has never won shyt. It's dumb enough to use the rings argument for nikkas with rings...nikkas have started using it for nikkas that don't have now.

I love KD's game and when it's all said and done he's going to be one of the greatest ever!

 

[Fart Knocker]

AI

 

[ManBearPig]

My position isn't that Durant isn't great.. He's great....my only statement from the very beginning was that had T-Mac stayed healthy he would have been in the discussion amongst the all-time greats and that includes Durant.

Obviously there is no way to prove that, however, since this is a message board many of the threads deal with hypotheticals, if the standard was that you couldn't have a hypothetical discussion in a sports forum, the forum itself would be sparse.

Additionally, if T-Mac had Westbrook....it would be safe to assume he's efficiency may have went up. Just how Iverson became a little more efficient playing with Melo.

Keep thinking that shyt.

The reason why Durant is so efficient is because he could shoot the ball very well. I would try to put LaMarcus Aldridge next to Tmac instead of Westbrook

 

[ManBearPig]

I'm not a fan of T-Mac. I just let my eyes determine who is better and not the stat sheet. All these clowns are singing KD's praise simply because he shoots a few percentage points better. And this coming from a guy who said on the record that he follows his shooting numbers and will not shoot half court shots eventhough his coach pleads from him to do it at the end of quarters.

T-Mac is the most talented player at the wing positions I have ever seen next to Kobe. I actually hated dude for much of the early 00s cause nikkas were trying to say he was better than Kobe. But I can't deny truth. He was dope and could do everything. If he stayed healthy who knows what he coulda accomplished. Only think KD does better than T-Mac is catch and shoot off screens and rebounding. Everything else T-Mac is better. Better ballhandler. Better passer. Better penetrator. Better creater off the dribble. Better defender. Better post player. Etc.

This nikka said Tmac a better defender.
STFU.

The only thing he was better than Durant that matters is passing. If Durant is a better scorer then why Mac's post up game even matters? U can argue that Derrick Coleman was more "talented" than Karl Malone but that's means he better?

 

[ManBearPig]

In 7 years KD has matched or surpassed what AI did both individually and team wise in 14. It's truly comical for people to say KD hasn't won shyt and then "bu...bu...but" the fact that AI has never won shyt. It's dumb enough to use the rings argument for nikkas with rings...nikkas have started using it for nikkas that don't have any now.

Lmao

 

[Kd35brah]

I don't have to focus on that sample size, in fact I wont mention it again.

at age 22:

t-mac: 25.6ppg .451FG% .364 3pt% .748FT% 7.9rebs 5.3ast 1.6stls 1blk 2.5TO 38.3mpg
durant: 27.7ppg .462FG% .350 3pt% .880FT% 6.8rebs 2.7ast 1.1stls 1blk 2.8TO 38.9mpg

In 2003, McGrady has a regular season that was incredible. He was first in the NBA in PER, Usage, Offensive Win Shares, 3rd in overall win shares, and his turnover percentage was 6th. Considering he handled the ball a lot more frequently and created a lot more assists than anyone ahead of him in the top 5 (purely shooters like Peja and Reggie), this is a remarkable statistic that gets overloooked.

to those knocking his FG%, should already be wise enough to realize his team required the max amount of shots. I can bet you Durant would struggle to be as efficient as he is if he were on a bottom-feeder team..

Take into account, Tmac's usage rates compared to his turnover rates. For someone that handled the ball as much as him (every possession). He was at 2.5 turnovers per game for his prime, that is insane. His PER is off of the chart too during his prime for a wing, I would assume some is due to the TO to Usage rate.

He's the Ken Griffey Jr. of the nba imo... He could have gone down in history as one of the greatest of all time if it wasn't for his injuries & sucky teams.

Durant in 2014: 32PPG, 7RPG, 5.5APG(6.3apg when russ was out), and 1.3SPG.

Durant '14 -- Mcgrady 03
* = Led the league

Offensive Winshares: 14.8* -- 13.2*
Defensive winshares: 4.4 -- 2.9
Winshares: 19.2* -- 16.1
Winshares/48: .295* -- .262
Offensive Rating: 123 -- 116
Defensive Rating: 104 -- 104
Usage%: 33*: -- 35*
TS%: .635 -- .564

Durant beats him in almost every category. Durant in 2013 beats him in almost every category as well.

 

[ManBearPig]

Durant in 2014: 32PPG, 7RPG, 5.5APG(6.3apg when russ was out), and 1.3SPG.

Durant '14 -- Mcgrady 03
* = Led the league

Offensive Winshares: 14.8* -- 13.2*
Defensive winshares: 4.4 -- 2.9
Winshares: 19.2* -- 16.1
Winshares/48: .295* -- .262
Offensive Rating: 123 -- 116
Defensive Rating: 104 -- 104
Usage%: 33*: -- 35*
TS%: .635 -- .564

Durant beats him in almost every category. Durant in 2013 beats him in almost every category as well.

Don't forget about the teams records lol

 

[FTBS]

Lmao

Breh seriously this shyt is amazing to me. I am truly That isn't the first post that has taken it there either. How does rings or winning even come to mind when speaking on behalf of a guy that has never won?

 

[Swagnificent]

This nikka said Tmac a better defender.
STFU.

The only thing he was better than Durant that matters is passing. If Durant is a better scorer then why Mac's post up game even matters? U can argue that Derrick Coleman was more "talented" than Karl Malone but that's means he better?

how old are you? i'm gonna guess you sub-25 and never saw prime T-Mac play. Before going to Orlando, he was known as a defensive stopper in Toronto. Next pippen type ability. He didn't play lock down D in Orlando because of the offensive workload he had. Similar to Bron last season. But when it mattered, there was no denying T-Mac's defensive abilities. He could nikkas down as good as anyone. Durant has never showed that. He has been nothing more than average. And he's been hidden by Ibaka rim protecting abilities. Imagine if T-Mac played with a rim protector like Ibaka?

 

[Texas2step]

Why didn't he have anyone who could create their own shot? Because he couldn't get along with them. He had the perfect set up of a chucker...a bunch of other dudes who were content doing dirty work while he chucked away. You can't have it both ways and try to act like he was in some fukked up position that he didn't want to be in.

How exactly does one measure heart? Primal yells? Hands to the ear? Stepping over nikkas after hitting a J?

Who did the sixers have that could ever create their own shot besides maybe Stackhouse?

You measure heart by effort and determination and Durant just doesn't have it and that is why Westbrook is the heart and soul of the Thunder.
I was a big Durant fan ever since his college days at Texas. Even there he was head over hills better than everyone else but shied away in the big moments in tournament time. He has done this his whole career.
This is the same nikka that let little old ass Jason Kidd shut him down in the 4th quarters the year the Mavs won the championship and that is something I'll never forget because that was the day I stopped being a fan of his.
This is the same nikka that went on a rant about always coming in 2nd place and how tired he was of it and literally a week later, he concedes to Melo for the scoring tittle when he could have won it and coming in 2nd place.
I dont even want to talk about the Grizzles series where he was 4-22 in the 4th without Westbrook and how to team looked like they didn't even want to compete.

So again, give me the nikka with heart that will play his ass off and never will be timid to get the ball and takeover when need be

 

[Swagnificent]

Durant in 2014: 32PPG, 7RPG, 5.5APG(6.3apg when russ was out), and 1.3SPG.

Durant '14 -- Mcgrady 03
* = Led the league

Offensive Winshares: 14.8* -- 13.2*
Defensive winshares: 4.4 -- 2.9
Winshares: 19.2* -- 16.1
Winshares/48: .295* -- .262
Offensive Rating: 123 -- 116
Defensive Rating: 104 -- 104
Usage%: 33*: -- 35*
TS%: .635 -- .564

Durant beats him in almost every category. Durant in 2013 beats him in almost every category as well.

you white boys are something else. nikkas don't know what none of that shyt means? the fukk is winshares? its kinda sad that dudes are basing their entire arguments on fukkin stats that I bet they have no clue about. what the hell is a offensive rating? how is it calculated?

I trust my EYES over some numbers I got no clue what they mean or how they're measured. I saw T-Mac in 2003. I saw Durant last year. T-Mac was better AT EVERYTHING except catching and shooting off screens and rebounding (cause of Durant's length advantage). No amount of made up stats gonna surpass what I saw with my own fukkin eyes.

 

[TOP LAD]

KD