Prime Iverson or Kevin Durant

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Durant in 2014: 32PPG, 7RPG, 5.5APG(6.3apg when russ was out), and 1.3SPG.

Durant '14 -- Mcgrady 03
* = Led the league

Offensive Winshares: 14.8* -- 13.2*
Defensive winshares: 4.4 -- 2.9
Winshares: 19.2* -- 16.1
Winshares/48: .295* -- .262
Offensive Rating: 123 -- 116
Defensive Rating: 104 -- 104
Usage%: 33*: -- 35*
TS%: .635 -- .564

Durant beats him in almost every category. Durant in 2013 beats him in almost every category as well.

The cast of teammates they were both surrounded by may have had something to do with that....

03 Magic

Pat Garrity
Darrell Armstrong
Mike Miller (played 49 games)
Jacque Vaughn
Shawn "Coked out" Kemp



14 Thunder

Kendrick Perkins
Serge Ibaka
Thabo Sefolosha
Nick Collison
Reggie Jackson
Russell Westbrook (He came in to play 46 games providing Durant with some relief. Yes, Durant went off during that stretch and it was beautiful to watch - but he knew back up was on the way, with Westbrook)

Let's not sit here and pretend Durant didn't have a better cast to work with, McGrady had hot-garbage.


McGrady (already saddled with injuries) led a YAO-less Houston team to 23 straight victories in 2008 (yea, that's in the western conference).

Statistically, Mcgrady did have great playoff numbers --- Just look at his 2005 series with Dallas, 2007 and 2008 series' with Utah. Mcgrady couldn't advance with that team because he was the team. Yao wasn't able to stay healty and the Rockets, leaving the Rockets mired in mediocrity.

 

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how old are you? i'm gonna guess you sub-25 and never saw prime T-Mac play. Before going to Orlando, he was known as a defensive stopper in Toronto. Next pippen type ability. He didn't play lock down D in Orlando because of the offensive workload he had. Similar to Bron last season. But when it mattered, there was no denying T-Mac's defensive abilities. He could nikkas down as good as anyone. Durant has never showed that. He has been nothing more than average. And he's been hidden by Ibaka rim protecting abilities. Imagine if T-Mac played with a rim protector like Ibaka?

T-mac isn't even close to being my favorite player...but I can't forget what my eyes saw during his brief but dominant run.

 

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Who did the sixers have that could ever create their own shot besides maybe Stackhouse?

You measure heart by effort and determination and Durant just doesn't have it and that is why Westbrook is the heart and soul of the Thunder.
I was a big Durant fan ever since his college days at Texas. Even there he was head over hills better than everyone else but shied away in the big moments in tournament time. He has done this his whole career.
This is the same nikka that let little old ass Jason Kidd shut him down in the 4th quarters the year the Mavs won the championship and that is something I'll never forget because that was the day I stopped being a fan of his.
This is the same nikka that went on a rant about always coming in 2nd place and how tired he was of it and literally a week later, he concedes to Melo for the scoring tittle when he could have won it and coming in 2nd place.
I dont even want to talk about the Grizzles series where he was 4-22 in the 4th without Westbrook and how to team looked like they didn't even want to compete.

So again, give me the nikka with heart that will play his ass off and never will be timid to get the ball and takeover when need be

But they don't hear you though....

 

[ManBearPig]

how old are you? i'm gonna guess you sub-25 and never saw prime T-Mac play. Before going to Orlando, he was known as a defensive stopper in Toronto. Next pippen type ability. He didn't play lock down D in Orlando because of the offensive workload he had. Similar to Bron last season. But when it mattered, there was no denying T-Mac's defensive abilities. He could nikkas down as good as anyone. Durant has never showed that. He has been nothing more than average. And he's been hidden by Ibaka rim protecting abilities. Imagine if T-Mac played with a rim protector like Ibaka?

Tmac was halfass on defense since left Toronto.

 

[Propaganda]

your obsession with efficiency stats is bizarre. the goal is to win games. not have the high shooting %. i posted stats a while back that the team that leads the league in fg% RARELY wins the title.

Durant can be greater than AI. No one denies that. But he's done NOTHING so far of worth to warrant that consideration SINCE he's won nothing. Sure AI didn't win either, but he put in a decade plus of legendary work. Let KD put in comparable time and then we can talk. But to determine whether player X is better than player Y based solely on shooting percentages is RETARDED.

no one associated with the NBA thinks that foolishly.

comparing efficiency isn't bizarre at all, you're just retarded. we're talking about two big-time volume scorers. obviously percentages are going to be discussed. and yeah, the goal is to win games...and durant (at minimum) has equaled what ai did in philly and he's done it in a way better conference than the early 00's east.

last year, durant averaged 1 less point than ai's highest scoring season and he did it while absolutely destroying ai in efficiency, fg/3pt/ft/ts/efg/ws/whatever...and remember, westbrook was out for a chunk of the season. that shyt was one of the craziest scoring seasons of all-time for a perimeter player, period. iverson couldn't even dream of doing that.

 

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Who did the sixers have that could ever create their own shot besides maybe Stackhouse?

You measure heart by effort and determination and Durant just doesn't have it and that is why Westbrook is the heart and soul of the Thunder.
I was a big Durant fan ever since his college days at Texas. Even there he was head over hills better than everyone else but shied away in the big moments in tournament time. He has done this his whole career.
This is the same nikka that let little old ass Jason Kidd shut him down in the 4th quarters the year the Mavs won the championship and that is something I'll never forget because that was the day I stopped being a fan of his.
This is the same nikka that went on a rant about always coming in 2nd place and how tired he was of it and literally a week later, he concedes to Melo for the scoring tittle when he could have won it and coming in 2nd place.
I dont even want to talk about the Grizzles series where he was 4-22 in the 4th without Westbrook and how to team looked like they didn't even want to compete.

So again, give me the nikka with heart that will play his ass off and never will be timid to get the ball and takeover when need be

Besides maybe a guy that went on to win a scoring title huh? A better question is when did Iverson ever demonstrate his worth outside of chucking?

Durant doesn't give effort on the court? How do you measure how determined one is...histrionics?

He's in good company struggling in the 4th against the Mavs that year (ask Kobe and Bron). Struggling against the future champs at 22=no heart or determination now?

I think that rant was about things he hadn't won. He already had 3 scoring titles at that point. I would have preferred to see a Thompson/Gervin style shoot out myself but I don't see how that reflect on his heart or determination. Especially since he bounced right back and ran away with it this year.

How many 4-22 games did AI have? shyt Westbrook was 0 for OT against the Grizz this year with KD and I didn't hear any questions about his heart. Lemme guess they had the right look right? They looked determined while they were missing right? Dudes don't realize how much they sound like the "do it the right way" crowd when they harp on shyt like this.

We gonna act like KD hasn't taken over more than his fair share of games?

 

[ManBearPig]

Who did the sixers have that could ever create their own shot besides maybe Stackhouse?

You measure heart by effort and determination and Durant just doesn't have it and that is why Westbrook is the heart and soul of the Thunder.
I was a big Durant fan ever since his college days at Texas. Even there he was head over hills better than everyone else but shied away in the big moments in tournament time. He has done this his whole career.
This is the same nikka that let little old ass Jason Kidd shut him down in the 4th quarters the year the Mavs won the championship and that is something I'll never forget because that was the day I stopped being a fan of his.
This is the same nikka that went on a rant about always coming in 2nd place and how tired he was of it and literally a week later, he concedes to Melo for the scoring tittle when he could have won it and coming in 2nd place.
I dont even want to talk about the Grizzles series where he was 4-22 in the 4th without Westbrook and how to team looked like they didn't even want to compete.

So again, give me the nikka with heart that will play his ass off and never will be timid to get the ball and takeover when need be

Larry Brown knew that Iverson isn't a system player so they traded away all their guys to bring in defenders that would allow Iverson to shoot all day. Sam basically said what was true at the 5:50 mark



The Memphis Grizzlies a team loaded with All NBA defennders. They were the best defensive in the NBA that year. Give me the defensive rating for the teams Tmac got bounced out of the first round by and I'll show you the Grizzlies.

 

[ManBearPig]

Besides maybe a guy that went on to win a scoring title huh? A better question is when did Iverson ever demonstrate his worth outside of chucking?

Durant doesn't give effort on the court? How do you measure how determined one is...histrionics?

He's in good company struggling in the 4th against the Mavs that year (ask Kobe and Bron). Struggling against the future champs at 22=no heart or determination now?

I think that rant was about things he hadn't won. He already had 3 scoring titles at that point. I would have preferred to see a Thompson/Gervin style shoot out myself but I don't see how that reflect on his heart or determination. Especially since he bounced right back and ran away with it this year.

How many 4-22 games did AI have? shyt Westbrook was 0 for OT against the Grizz this year with KD and I didn't hear any questions about his heart. Lemme guess they had the right look right? They looked determined while they were missing right? Dudes don't realize how much they sound like the "do it the right way" crowd when they harp on shyt like this.

We gonna act like KD hasn't taken over more than his fair share of games?

And Shawn Marion was defending KD during crunch time. Not kidd. It wasnt Jason Kidd that blocked Kevin Durant's potential game winning shot in game 4.


Not only that nikkaz making wack ass excuses but they making up shyt

 

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And Shawn Marion was defending KD. Not Kidd


Not only that nikkaz making bullshytting excuses but they making up shyt

Let nikkas tell it AI was on some shyt in every 4th while the nikka KD has been . Every AI struggle was all about heart and lack of help while every KD struggle is about him not having heart and all the help in the world. Dudes shytting on KD for his play without Westbrook AND coppin pleas for AIs 5/25 nights based on not having a Westbrook. shyt is comedy breh. Dudes out here responding to stufff they made up in their heads.

 

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And Shawn Marion was defending KD during crunch time. Not kidd. It wasnt Jason Kidd that blocked Kevin Durant's potential game winning shot in game 4.


Not only that nikkaz making wack ass excuses but they making up shyt

Making shyt up? I suppose it's a conspiracy on the level of the Kennedy assassination, especially since the media saw the same thing:

In an era when young point guards are celebrated for athleticism and scoring, Kidd stays grounded — literally. He's averaging 9.9 points, 7.7 assists and 4.5 rebounds in the playoffs. He can't remember the last time he dunked. But in the five-game series against dynamic point guard Russell Westbrook (FSY) and the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Western Conference finals, Kidd had a 4.3:1 assists-to-turnover ratio.
In the clinching game, Kidd's fourth-quarter defense on two-time scoring champion Kevin Durant (FSY) , who at 6-10 is 6 inches taller, was spectacular.

When Durant went up to shoot, Kidd would sweep at the ball to disrupt his rhythm. Sometimes it would cause a turnover as Durant would lose the handle. Most of the time, Durant was forced to reset farther from his sweet spot. The little things Kidd does largely go unnoticed.
"He's the most unique player I've ever been around. He sees the game and thinks the game at a savant-like level," Dallas coach Rick Carlisle says. "There's a simplistic genius to his understanding of the game. When you look in his eyes, you know what drives him. It's winning."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/mavericks/2011-05-30-jasonkidd_N.htm

 

[Malta]

How is this a discussion? I wish there was a public poll so I would know whose opinion never to take seriously.

 

[Texas2step]

Besides maybe a guy that went on to win a scoring title huh? A better question is when did Iverson ever demonstrate his worth outside of chucking?

Durant doesn't give effort on the court? How do you measure how determined one is...histrionics?

He's in good company struggling in the 4th against the Mavs that year (ask Kobe and Bron). Struggling against the future champs at 22=no heart or determination now?

I think that rant was about things he hadn't won. He already had 3 scoring titles at that point. I would have preferred to see a Thompson/Gervin style shoot out myself but I don't see how that reflect on his heart or determination. Especially since he bounced right back and ran away with it this year.

How many 4-22 games did AI have? shyt Westbrook was 0 for OT against the Grizz this year with KD and I didn't hear any questions about his heart. Lemme guess they had the right look right? They looked determined while they were missing right? Dudes don't realize how much they sound like the "do it the right way" crowd when they harp on shyt like this.

We gonna act like KD hasn't taken over more than his fair share of games?

You can see who is giving effort and who is it if you watch the games. When you act timid or even scared to demand the ball show a lack of determination

He didn't struggle against the furture Champs the Mavs, he struggled against an older shorter player in Jason Kidd who was playing one on one. It even got to the point that as soon as Durant touched it, he would pass it because Kidd was on him and it made me sick when watching a great 6'10 talent play like that.

It is about being an ultimate competitor. When you say you are tired of being in 2nd place then be tired of it and try to win everything. The great players never wanted to lose in anything whether it is game of cards, gambling, or any other type of game that is competitive. It's just not in his DNA, he was ok with losing especially since it would've required some effort and determination to win it. There was no competitive race this year which why he didnt mind winning it

And the 4-22 was over the course of 3 4th quarters and anyone watching that series will tell you there was a lack of effort out there

 

[ManBearPig]

Making shyt up? I suppose it's a conspiracy on the level of the Kennedy assassination, especially since the media saw the same thing:

In an era when young point guards are celebrated for athleticism and scoring, Kidd stays grounded — literally. He's averaging 9.9 points, 7.7 assists and 4.5 rebounds in the playoffs. He can't remember the last time he dunked. But in the five-game series against dynamic point guard Russell Westbrook (FSY) and the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Western Conference finals, Kidd had a 4.3:1 assists-to-turnover ratio.
In the clinching game, Kidd's fourth-quarter defense on two-time scoring champion Kevin Durant (FSY) , who at 6-10 is 6 inches taller, was spectacular.

When Durant went up to shoot, Kidd would sweep at the ball to disrupt his rhythm. Sometimes it would cause a turnover as Durant would lose the handle. Most of the time, Durant was forced to reset farther from his sweet spot. The little things Kidd does largely go unnoticed.
"He's the most unique player I've ever been around. He sees the game and thinks the game at a savant-like level," Dallas coach Rick Carlisle says. "There's a simplistic genius to his understanding of the game. When you look in his eyes, you know what drives him. It's winning."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/mavericks/2011-05-30-jasonkidd_N.htm

It didn't say he was on him in the 4th quarters. It just said he gave him problems. Kidd was making great defensive plays throw that playoffs.

 

[Texas2step]

And Shawn Marion was defending KD during crunch time. Not kidd. It wasnt Jason Kidd that blocked Kevin Durant's potential game winning shot in game 4.


Not only that nikkaz making wack ass excuses but they making up shyt

He may have the first 3 quarters but in the 4th Kidd was on him because I remember thinking how is Kidd shutting down Durant who was my fav player at the time

 

[ManBearPig]

He may have the first 3 quarters but in the 4th Kidd was on him because I remember thinking how is Kidd shutting down Durant who was my fav player at the time

4 or 5 possessions = an entire 4th quarter?