Prime Tim Mathews > both of them.
Prime Kobe >>>>> Prime LeBron
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Prime Orange Mon-Star>>>>
because lebron is pass-first shoot-second and a majority of his shots are open dunks at the rim.......what dont u understand?
Someone that actually watches games?
Welcome to the 'seum.....
some1's gota let em know mayn
Damn this thread is like a braindead patient on life-support 
C'mon, I respect Kobe, appreciate his game and contributions, and even respect the Laker/Kobe stans on here, but c'mon now, 'Bron got this. I'm not even a fan of his, but I see what is, and probably what will become of his legacy. We gotta get past bein' fans of teams, and bein' fans of basketball, and appreciatin' greatness when we see it. Same w/ Kobe 
C'mon, I respect Kobe, appreciate his game and contributions, and even respect the Laker/Kobe stans on here, but c'mon now, 'Bron got this. I'm not even a fan of his, but I see what is, and probably what will become of his legacy. We gotta get past bein' fans of teams, and bein' fans of basketball, and appreciatin' greatness when we see it. Same w/ Kobe 
Except Lebron gets open dunks at the rim because he's an elite finisher and slasher. Lebron isn't just fed the ball at the rim like Birdman.
Except we have stats that show Lebron and Kobe were assisted a similar percentage of their shots. So Lebron is getting to the basket due to his ability to attack and finish. You act as if teams just let him waltz into the paint.
Lebron gets those looks and lanes because he's do damn good, not because they give an open line to the basket.
He's the primary playmaker, ball handler, and scorer for his team. Lebron is a pass first player who can score a whole 5 less points than Kobe despite taking 7 less shots while passing and rebounding better.
Lebron is a more efficient scorer who can score at the same clip while passing more, being a better and more versatile defender, and a better rebounder. What about this are you not getting?
Propaganda
Superstar
the fact that a pass-first, score-second guy is even in the conversation says a lot. and no, the majority of his shots are not open dunks at the rim. that's something that stupid motherfukkers with literally no argument would say.
kobe is the more explosive scorer. he has a scorer's mentality. he wants to drop 40 or 50 on your head...and if he gets it going, he could...even now..AND he could do it "prettier" than lebron ever could (which IS a factor to people whether you agree with it or not). lebron ain't exactly that guy. we know that. but lebron is similarly efficient at scoring over the course of his career (and waaaay better at his peak, though not as high volume a scorer as kobe at his), he's also a better rebounder and a better playmaker/passer.
defensively, kobe at his best was definitely a better man-to-man guy. in his prime he would give his check hell...and although he slacked off a lot as time passed, when he focused on locking someone down, he did it. lebron's clearly more versatile and imo, does more in a team sense than kobe does/did. so i guess it depends on what you weigh more heavily.
a fascinating thing about their defense is that kobe was better when he was younger and has gradually fallen off, whereas lebron's d was fairly weak early in his career and has gotten better almost every year as time has passed. i guess you can also attribute that to factors outside of pure ability but i just think there's an interesting contrast there...so far, at least. who knows how shytty lebron's d will be when he's like 35.
So out Of 10 shots, LeBron hits 4.9 and Kobe hits 4.5 on their career.. When ur shooting twice as many threes and long-range shots, that difference means nothing. I'm not saying all of lebrons shots are right at the rim, but ur lying to urself if u don't admit that Kobe is guarded much harder and in turn has to take more difficult shots.... And it's not cuz LeBron is an elite slasher, it's cuz he's not as deadly a scorer, so he doesn't require double n triple teams to be stopped. Watchin the games makes all this clear
kidsinamerica_
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Kobe Bean Bryant is an outside threat. He’s a great shooter. Therefore the defensive coverage is different for him. The rule of thumb is not allowing a shooter to get a clean look at the rim or the square on the backboard. Defenders keep the pressure on Kobe from everywhere. Nobody sags off him because his strength is shooting. As a result, Kobe uses the “fadeaway” to create space between him and the defender(s). Now I agree Kobe doesn't shoot contested “fadeaways” because he likes them more. If he was given a choice, he would always choose a shot that allows him to square up, get an unobstructed look at his target, and shoot on balance.
For LeBron James, he is not a threat from the outside. He's not consistent. Smart defenders are still sagging off of him and making him beat them strictly from the outside. LeBron strengths are in his passing and him being a monster when he goes to the rim. He is nearly unstoppable.
You're proving my point. Defenders aren't as worried about Kobe's slashing and finishing so they play him tighter. Lebron blows past top-tier perimeter defenders if they play him closely.
Lebron isn't as good a shooter as Kobe but he's just as effective a scorer and he's easily a better offensive player when you add in passing, vision, and playmaking.
You play Lebron off and you give him a chance to game 7 you while conserving his energy to shut down players like Tony Parker. You play him right and he'll blow past you and get your bigs in foul trouble or score at will.
If Ginoboli wasn't a dumb @ss during the series the thread would not exist. If Ray Allen wasn't cold blooded we wouldn't be in this thread.
Bron got bailed out something series...He need to break up the MVP trophy.
Bron got bailed out something series...He need to break up the MVP trophy.
what are you talking about? Kobe is always shadowed and has coverage rolled.....he is always team defended. Kobe stays getting crowded since he doesn't have sharp shooters. Therefore he can't find a lane to even attempt to blow by n!ggas.
The thing is during these playoff from the Indiana series on....teams started shadowing Bron with a big man to prevent an easy lane to the basket....but he has shooters that can be dangerous and that was being lived with at times. San Antonio rolled a big man at Bron and left bosh open many of times for him to knock down shots, which he didn't.
kidsinamerica_
Rookie
You must be talking about "Grandpa" Kobe. Because Kobe in his prime.
He was an elite slasher and finisher. He could take any defender to the hole.
