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Are you on the clinton payroll OP? Everything you say appears to be lockstep with her ideas and frankly I am tired of being exposed to your propaganda. "Uniquely American"? What in the hell is that supposed to mean?
Problems with the "free public college" plans
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The public pays. If we need more money, the public pays more. Again this is currently an endeavor of roughly half a percentage point of total GDP. It's not expensive on a societal scale.
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Doesn't matter.
You can't just tax your way out of this and then relate it to GDP.
A ton of schools would go belly up in under a decade
Uniquely american means something that doesn't just look at what a smaller country with a smaller population and more national borders living in an economic union and trying to mimic it.
The USA has unique obstacles to its problems. Just looking at Germany or Norway won't help us.
Actually you can
This isn't a good enough answer. I've given you high quality, nuanced, thorough responses.
I don't respect this.
Nap you can barely form cogent sentences bud
You have not clarified your half-assed answer further up the page.
It was actually a very deep response
You are simply out of your depth
WAKE UP!
This is basic
"The explosion of schools public and private, have allowed universities to expand more program offerings and types of graduate schools etc.
You put those under public management of funds, then you limit the number of schools who can provide those offerings."
sure, and a lot of those expansions were not financially sound and were used in attempts to justify high tuition prices and attract students. they are failed initiatives. this is the fault of the school's administrators, not the state.
these closings are already happening and have been for decades. the landscape is simply evolving. students are making their choices to go to other colleges or enroll in alternative education settings. i'll grant that providing free public college may speed this process up but to what degree? and even if it did, so what? if these programs were attractive to students their enrollment would be up. it's not so they're losing. if they want to stay in business they need to make themselves attractive to students.
"Bro...if smaller schools expect to stay alive, they'll have to prove their value to larger universities who will pressure the government and say that a handful of schools aren't returning the same outcomes or offering the same services and resources."
don't understand what you're getting at here. these smaller privateschools aren't staying alive right now because students don't find them worth while. nyu and mit ain't scrambling for students.
"Most states already have free tuition for students funded by lottos and other means. A federal oversight of this would hurt the ability for states to tailor to their own needs."
you are approaching one of the more sound arguments against free public college here but missing the point.
now ask yourself which type of students already get enough fin aid to get to public college for free. and who would actually be helped the most by free public college...
anyways i'm not recommending complete federal oversight. the fed govt should can and should foot the bill though.
Not once have you committed to posting any data in here. Much less any articles or analysis.
You can't talk about being financially sound if you're going to curb the offerings found in legitimate enterprises and offerings right now. You can't say they're ALL mismanaged or that none of them deserve expansion opportunities.
We're talking about student access here...this is no insignificant point
Simply, the scale of this change is too radical in the United States.
We have to be serious about what sort of endeavor we're approaching or discussing here.
There are 70 Universities in ALL of Germany. List of universities in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thats like 2-3 States in the USA
That is A LOT of money, A LOT of oversight, and A LOT of streamlining and technical integration that has to take place...much of which will result in decreased access for student programs that are nuanced and don't guarantee the same choice and freedom for students.
NYU and MIT are not the only private colleges. However some private schools do get federal funding to varying degrees which affects how certain administrative issues are handled.
and you should do better than naming some of the best private schools in the country...not the local ones in your corner of your state.
No one I knew paid for college unless they lost their lotto-funded scholarship. OR...they went to a private school."Most states already have free tuition for students funded by lottos and other means. A federal oversight of this would hurt the ability for states to tailor to their own needs."
you are approaching one of the more sound arguments against free public college here but missing the point.
now ask yourself which type of students already get enough fin aid to get to public college for free. and who would actually be helped the most by free public college...
Why? Just because?
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Your Jamaican ass knows fukk all about the usa. If yall wanna help kids go to school, then give to the United Negro College Fund. Or National Hispanic College Fund if you're Latin. Quit begging us taxpayers to give you free education. Annoying ass nikkas, always with your hands out. "Gimme gimme gimme!!!"
Yall no different than beggars downtown who won't leave you alone.
A lot of states are having a problem in funding their university systems as it is, I think we should be proactive in fixing that, top down just a bloodbath. Raising taxes isn't as popular as Sanders followers argue, people will do anything to avoid taxes.. Unless you're infringing on states rights you're going to have issues here. These god damned red states, and their fiscally retarded policies are going to tank the entire US someday. Hell they wouldn't even expand Medicaid in some states.
EDIT: hold up the more liberal states are the ones spending more money
