Producer Curtis King breaks down how Timbaland and AI platform SUNO are stealing original beats from unknown producers to train their AI model.

[JustCKing]

ima add that Scott Storch also made cry me a river which he was upset that he didnt get credit for.

Here we go with this wack narrative. Scott Storch is credited as a co-producer. Storch did not make the beat, he played the clavinet on the song. He also co-wrote the song, but he didn't get writing credits.

EDIT: According to the liner notes, Scott Storch got writing credits, but no production credits. He is credited as a co-producer with Timbaland on "Take Me Now" from the same album.

Danja Handz is ONLY KNOWN because his name appears alongside Timbaland's as a co-producer. Danja is on record saying he never made beats for Timbaland. His name is in the credits. Anybody alleging Timbaland took credit fron him either didn't bother reading the credits or is illiterate.

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

I wonder if Curtis King ever had some to say about Mustard stealing Mustard Type Beats from Youtube in the past

 

[Standing on business]

Here we go with this wack narrative. Scott Storch is credited as a co-producer. Storch did not make the beat, he played the clavinet on the song. He also co-wrote the song, but he didn't get writing credits.

Danja Handz is ONLY KNOWN because his name appears alongside Timbaland's as a co-producer. Danja is on record saying he never made beats for Timbaland. His name is in the credits. Anybody alleging Timbaland took credit fron him either didn't bother reading the credits or is illiterate.

This is exactly why lesson known & talented producers got fukked over by the gatekeepers and head honchos. Imagine having your own unique sound that everyone will love, but you gotta go though someone that's already a top dog in the industry to get it out there and give them credit.

 

[Awesome Wells]

What makes it so sad is that folks get in the industry that way and eventually don;t see anything wrong with it and continue the cycle. At least Kanye goes overboard and gives a nikka a production credit just for bringing some wings to the studio

LOL!! It's true though.

During his run, Kanye would make sure he credited everyone, even if someone just brought him a record to sample, they would get a co-production credit. Tim has a thing where he wants to be seen as the creative genius behind everything. So even if he didn't do anything on the beat, if he just talks on it, it becomes his "production" and it switches to you helping him. That's what he was doing to Danja.

Keri Hilson said he was doing that to her people The Clutch, when they met him. You can come to him with whole joints done, but if he gets next to the music, he's taking credit for that sh*t. Bangladesh said this is why he started using his producer tag and changed his name. Because he saw "big-time" producers trying to take credit for the beats he was giving Luda early on. Tim's been on that sh*t for damn near 25 years.

 

[Danie84]

Innovator to Sellout Thief

 

[Standing on business]

LOL!! It's true though.

During his run, Kanye would make sure he created everyone, even if someone just brought him a record to sample, they would get a co-production credit. Tim has a thing where he wants to be seen as the creative genius behind everything. So even if he didn't do anything on the beat, if he just talks on it, it becomes his "production" and it switches to you helping him.

Keri Hilson said he was doing that to her people The Clutch, when they met him. You can come to him with whole joints done, but if he gets next to the music, he's taking credit for that sh*t. Bangladesh said this is why he started using his producer tag and changed his name. Because he saw "big-time" producers trying to take credit for the beats he was giving Luda early on. Tim's been on that sh*t for damn near 25 years.

Man Tim has a crazy history of that. different eras, different people, different genres. That's how you know that nikka foul.

 

[str8up]

dudes been stealing music forever so i guess it was always gonna keep happening, it's just so disheartening that now you might not really even be able to tell because they trained their AI model with your shyt instead of outright stealing it.

nasty work, fukk tim - if he's willing to show something this blatant then...

 

[jwinfield]

I'm too tired to find it lol but King also showed a clip of this particular AI company's CEO talking about how nobody likes making music anymore because it's too hard - you have to learn how to play instruments, learn how to sing/rap, learn how to use beat machines etc. I don't think it's a coincidence that all these AI CEO (white) dudes seem to have a clear disdain for human expression and art. This drive to eliminate the very things that make us human is sociopathic. And Timbo being in the mix with these people is wild.

They def found the right sellout to help them. This dude doesn't give a shyt about anything but money and advancement.

 

[EA]

I don't agree with what Timbaland is doing, but a lot of peolle on here and in general are still naive and blinded by bias. He isn't stealing from producers. I remember first using Fruityloops and it being pre-loaded with Timbaland's "Try Again". I'm sure Image Line didn't get permission to use that instrumental, but it gave everybody who used Fruityloops access to every sound in that instrumental.

Those familiar with Fruityloops knows you can load any song into it regardless if its copywritten, and you can chop the beat which isolates individual sounds. You could make beats that sounded like the producer of your choice.

I don't agree with Timbaland creating an A.I. artist, but let's not act like Fruityloops didn't give any up and coming producer access to rip off any and every beat without proper credit to the creator.

People won't call it theivery because its only thievery when someone famous does it. All of our favorite producers have been ripped off too.

What you’re describing is sampling, which isn’t the same as what Timbaland is doing with Suno. FL Studio might have been loaded with different sounds that producers have used but it wasn’t unreleased material that users could recreate and pass off as their own.

Feeding Suno with unreleased music and then flipping/recreating it with chat prompts is definitely stealing. It’s no different to an artist asking you for your stems and then getting their in-house producer to recreate your beat and cut you out of your credit.

 

[Why-Fi]

stealing is the worst part, but the second worst is using suno wrong. ive been using it for a couple months and you still have to produce the music, even using your own beats as part of the prompt. it takes as much work to produce with as sampling from vinyl, probably even more. you never just take what it spits out. dude left the tag in it and everything

 

[straightcash]

Smh Timbo is a corny nikka b. Just give up on this AI shyt and make your own beats.

He been stealing his whole damn career.

 

[jadillac]

There's a video I saw last week where gospel singer Tye Tribbet talked about how he played the main riff on the keyboard on "Cry Me a River". He said he didn't really get paid and Timb got paid millions.

 

[SunZoo]

stealing is the worst part, but the second worst is using suno wrong. ive been using it for a couple months and you still have to produce the music, even using your own beats as part of the prompt. it takes as much work to produce with as sampling from vinyl, probably even more. you never just take what it spits out. dude left the tag in it and everything

There are legit use cases, especially if you're a writer.

I've used old vocals of mine, vocals of my mom 20 some odd years ago at a Christmas party. You can hum/scat your own melodies, instruments, anything you actually made to then apply the tools to. I wrote like two songs for a friend of mind and sent her a reference track with generated vocals to see how it should sound.

Young Guru has the most sober take on all of this, the shyt isn't going anywhere, it's not inherently bad and again, plenty of legit use cases but before it gets completely out of hand some conversations need to be had.

 

[JustCKing]

What you’re describing is sampling, which isn’t the same as what Timbaland is doing with Suno. FL Studio might have been loaded with different sounds that producers have used but it wasn’t unreleased material that users could recreate and pass off as their own.

Feeding Suno with unreleased music and then flipping/recreating it with chat prompts is definitely stealing. It’s no different to an artist asking you for your stems and then getting their in-house producer to recreate your beat and cut you out of your credit.

That isn't sampling. You could literally take anyone's instrumental, splice it, and you have every sound from that track at your disposal. You didn't have to have the stems, you literally could take parts of someone else's beat or even re-create it, slap your name on it and upload it as your own. Anybody that has used FL Studio knows it possible and people have done it.

 

[JustCKing]

LOL!! It's true though.

During his run, Kanye would make sure he credited everyone, even if someone just brought him a record to sample, they would get a co-production credit. Tim has a thing where he wants to be seen as the creative genius behind everything. So even if he didn't do anything on the beat, if he just talks on it, it becomes his "production" and it switches to you helping him. That's what he was doing to Danja.

Keri Hilson said he was doing that to her people The Clutch, when they met him. You can come to him with whole joints done, but if he gets next to the music, he's taking credit for that sh*t. Bangladesh said this is why he started using his producer tag and changed his name. Because he saw "big-time" producers trying to take credit for the beats he was giving Luda early on. Tim's been on that sh*t for damn near 25 years.

Here you go with the lies. First of all, The Clutch were credited, one of the biggest was Omarion's "Ice Box". The Clutch co-wrote the song. It was co-produced by Royal Court, who are also credited. And no, Kanye didn't make sure everyone got credits. There's songs that were released where he got credited, but Brian Miller actually did the beat. Producers don't always control who gets credit, if at all.

You're posting he say she say without posting an article or even a video where Keri said it.