props to asian sprinters - they still tryin

[LurkMoar]

The thing is if it were mostly about genetics Nigeria should be the world power in sprinting, just by numbers alone they should be producing 5-8 world class sprinters.

It has to be about training if Nigeria isn't the world class standard in that sport.

Nigeria is a cesspool of corruption everything they do is an under achievement. Thats why the best british sprinters are all nigerians.

Regardless at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF COMPETITION WITH THE BEST ATHLETES, WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON HERE.

At the highest level it has been proven that the black man is the better athlete.

 

[Swagnificent]

you nikkas lyin to yourself if you think we don't have more fast twitchy muscles than other races

ain't no cacs be running 4.3 40 dash anytime soon

jeremy lin faster than any cac ballers and he is the only asian baller in the nba.

Let me guess, you also think we have smaller brains which is why we get lower test scores?

This shyt goes both ways fool. If you buy into theories of athletic racial supremacy then why not buy into the cac theories of racial supremacy based on intellect? As ya'll are saying over and over again in this thread, you can't have it both ways.

We know for a fact that the racist theories perpetuated by cacs of intellectual supremacy of the white race over black people is false. We know the oldest civilizations on earth were started by black people. We know all the sciences and maths were created by black people. We know it was black people that brought civilization and culture to whites in Europe. We know that our current predicament when it comes to educational attainment and test scores in America is largely the product of social conditioning. Black children are taught not to value education. They are programmed to believe they are less intelligent. And thus they behave more destructive in the class room and fall behind other races intellectually.

If we know that is why we struggle right now in America. Why isn't the same true for shyt like why there aren't more whites in the NBA? Or why there aren't more white RBs? Social conditioning is real whether you want to believe it or not. The NBA is a good example. Why do think all the best white players in the NBA are European? Are European cacs athletically superior to American cacs? Or is it that the culture in Europe does not have the racist social conditioning we have here in America thus it allows the whites with great talent like Dirk Norwitzki to make in the NBA. While modern day Larry Bird's who could make it in the NBA from America are just not participating in the sport anymore because of the stigma that it is now a "black sport".

I think as black people we have to be cautious of buying into racist white propaganda even when it seems to be "positive". Because I'm telling you these "positive" racist stereotypes only serve to fuel "negative" racist stereotypes like the ones about black people being more violent or dumb than whites.

 

[David_TheMan]

What does environment and socialization have to do with the olympics? White countries send their finest athletes and they stand no chance what so ever. Same with every other nationally, at the elite level it has been proven that the black man is the superior athlete.

Matter fact black athletes dont only best other races in the highest level of competition they completely dominate them. You telling me the other races arent sending their best athletes? On average there is little difference in humans but we are talking about elite athletes.

You dont need a study to see these things.

You seem to be playing dumb now.
Environment and socialization is what pushes some groups to certain sports and pulls some out the sport. I said that specifically in the post you are quoting. You really have to learn to read. White people send the people interested in those sports who are the best in that area, period. How are black me the superior athlete when there is no black athletes who dominate the winter games? If you say because blacks don't like or want to participate in those sports, you've literally acknowledge environment and socialization.

Again stop repeating racist bullshyt, that only serves to diminish the effort and hard work of black athletes.

 

[LurkMoar]

You seem to be playing dumb now.
Environment and socialization is what pushes some groups to certain sports and pulls some out the sport. I said that specifically in the post you are quoting. You really have to learn to read. White people send the people interested in those sports who are the best in that area, period. How are black me the superior athlete when there is no black athletes who dominate the winter games? If you say because blacks don't like or want to participate in those sports, you've literally acknowledge environment and socialization.

Again stop repeating racist bullshyt, that only serves to diminish the effort and hard work of black athletes.

So you are saying if white people completely invested in in sprinting they would dominate? Alright then were just gonna agree to disagree.

 

[Swagnificent]

With that logic i guess white people just need to work harder to start competing in sprinting.

This is your problem. You are trying to reduce very complex stuff to simplistic racist bullshyt. Nobody is saying there aren't physical differences among human groups. Its easy to see that East Africans have more slender builds than West Africans that are more robust. What we're just trying to tell you is that these differences among groups isn't tied to what we call "race". Its more tied to things like the environment, the diet, and the culture.

There might be certain groups of humans in certain places of the world that have specifically adapted to an environment and these adaptations give them an advantage in some forms of athletic competition. But this doesn't mean one race is superior to another athletically. And it doesn't mean that just because someone shares the same phenotype with this group that is good at a certain sport that it means this individual who looks like them is also good at this form of athletic competition. Like I said in an earlier post, the long distance running is a good example. The vast majority of the best Kenyan runners come from just one tribe (the Kalejin). Now this tribe doesn't look very different from the other Kenyans. So what is it that makes them better than EVERYONE on earth? Its obviously not their race (unless you want to argue race is now divided along tribal lines) because the rest of the people in Kenya are not as good as them in long distance running. It must obviously be other factors. Things like the elevation they live in. The diet they eat. Their culture which promotes running. And maybe some peculiar adaptation they got to survive living the way they do.

So once again. If you wanna have an adult conversation on possible explanations for why certain small groups of humans are much better than all others in some athletic competition, then I'm all for it. But if you want to keep whining about why we don't agree with white supremacist theories on differences between humans based on some made up notion like race then you've come to the wrong place. This is a site with some intellectual brothas that actually are educated so this racist white pseduscience ain't gonna work with us.

 

[LurkMoar]

Let me guess, you also think we have smaller brains which is why we get lower test scores?

This shyt goes both ways fool. If you buy into theories of athletic racial supremacy then why not buy into the cac theories of racial supremacy based on intellect? As ya'll are saying over and over again in this thread, you can't have it both ways.

We know for a fact that the racist theories perpetuated by cacs of intellectual supremacy of the white race over black people is false. We know the oldest civilizations on earth were started by black people. We know all the sciences and maths were created by black people. We know it was black people that brought civilization and culture to whites in Europe. We know that our current predicament when it comes to educational attainment and test scores in America is largely the product of social conditioning. Black children are taught not to value education. They are programmed to believe they are less intelligent. And thus they behave more destructive in the class room and fall behind other races intellectually.

If we know that is why we struggle right now in America. Why isn't the same true for shyt like why there aren't more whites in the NBA? Or why there aren't more white RBs? Social conditioning is real whether you want to believe it or not. The NBA is a good example. Why do think all the best white players in the NBA are European? Are European cacs athletically superior to American cacs? Or is it that the culture in Europe does not have the racist social conditioning we have here in America thus it allows the whites with great talent like Dirk Norwitzki to make in the NBA. While modern day Larry Bird's who could make it in the NBA from America are just not participating in the sport anymore because of the stigma that it is now a "black sport".

I think as black people we have to be cautious of buying into racist white propaganda even when it seems to be "positive". Because I'm telling you these "positive" racist stereotypes only serve to fuel "negative" racist stereotypes like the ones about black people being more violent or dumb than whites.

You are the only one saying this cac, negged.

 

[Swagnificent]

East Africans (or Kenyans to be specific) are better at sprinting due to the advantage of where Kenya is located geographically.

Its not just Kenyans. The best Kenyan runners come from just one tribe called the Kalejin (that number at about 5 million). The vast majority of Kenyans don't belong to this tribe and are just as inept at distance running as the rest of the world compared to these dudes.

People that try and explain the fact that these dudes are so good at distance running based on race have to explain this issue. Why is it that only one small group in all of Kenya is really good at distance running? Are the Kalejin their own race? Or is it because they live in a unique part of the country with lots of high elevation and the fact they have a different culture and diet that contributes to their excellence in distance running apart of the rest of their country men?

 

[Illified infinitely]

Pretty sure Asians just getting noticed for this. They'll get better once they realize they not all gonn be doctors

As for the blacks who dominate it's always from slave countries. That physical labor for hundreds of years had some sort of silver lining I guess

 

[LurkMoar]

This is your problem. You are trying to reduce very complex stuff to simplistic racist bullshyt. Nobody is saying there aren't physical differences among human groups. Its easy to see that East Africans have more slender builds than West Africans that are more robust. What we're just trying to tell you is that these differences among groups isn't tied to what we call "race". Its more tied to things like the environment, the diet, and the culture.

There might be certain groups of humans in certain places of the world that have specifically adapted to an environment and these adaptations give them an advantage in some forms of athletic competition. But this doesn't mean one race is better than another at this athletic competition. And it doesn't mean that just because someone shares the same phenotype as this group that this individual is also good at this form of athletic competition. Like I said in an earlier post, the long distance running is a good example. The majority of the best Kenyan runners come from just one tribe (the Kalejin). Now this tribe doesn't look very different from the other Kenyans. So what is it that makes them better than EVERYONE on earth? Its obviously not their race (unless you want to argue race is now divided along tribal lines) because the rest of the people in Kenya are not as good as them in long distance running. It must obviously be other factors. Things like the elevation they live in. The diet the eat. Their culture which promotes running. And maybe some peculiar adaptation they got to survive living the way they do.

So once again. If you wanna have an adult conversation on possible explanations for why certain small groups are much better than all others in some athletic competition, then I'm all for it. But if you want to keep whining about why we don't care with white supremacist theories on differences between humans based on some made up notion like race then you've come to the wrong place. This is a site with brothas that actually have some education so this racist white pseduscience ain't gonna work with us.

There is no difference in intelligence between the races, you are the only one bringing that racist bullshyt into this conversation. I have repeatedly stated that there is no difference in intelligence between the races that can be scientifically proven.



What can be proven is when it comes to sports that require explosiveness and fast twich muscles, black people and specifically people of west African descent dominate these areas no matter what country they live in. Both you and david want to simply attribute this to "well thats what they focus on" Which is bullshyt because the best of the best compete at the Olympics. And countries invest massively in programs to train their best athletes but they are no match for people of west African descent in sports and events that involve explosive movement, this is a proven fact from every Olympic event since they started letting black people participate.


Anyway im done with both yall bullshyt.

 

[LurkMoar]

You seem to be playing dumb now.
Environment and socialization is what pushes some groups to certain sports and pulls some out the sport. I said that specifically in the post you are quoting. You really have to learn to read. White people send the people interested in those sports who are the best in that area, period. How are black me the superior athlete when there is no black athletes who dominate the winter games? If you say because blacks don't like or want to participate in those sports, you've literally acknowledge environment and socialization.

Again stop repeating racist bullshyt, that only serves to diminish the effort and hard work of black athletes.

Oh and tell me what events in the winter games should be describes as needing explosive movement?

 

[Swagnificent]

Environment and socialization are the reason, plus self removal by certain races, like white american men, who use their own prejudice to exclude or discourage themselves and their kids.

You are discrediting the black athletes, whether you accept it or not.

Athletecism isn't a black feat, its a individual feat, again you aren't speaking scientifically at all.
Try to read that paper I sent you.

Co-sign. I think this dude is a cac pretending to be black. I've noticed that the people most ardent on the belief that black people are genetically superior athletically are whites. I debated some cacs on this a year ago on another forum and they were pretty strongly in favor of black people being better than them in basketball and football because that meant they were also smarter and intellectually superior.

I've not met anyone black who is on some we are better because of our genetics tip. Typically its racist cacs that are into the ideology of genetic differences and superiority/inferiority among groups.

 

[LurkMoar]

Co-sign. I think this dude is a cac pretending to be black. I've noticed that the people most ardent on the belief that black people are genetically superior athletically are whites. I debated some cacs on this a year ago on another forum and they were pretty strongly in favor of black people being better than them in basketball and football because that meant they were also smarter and intellectually superior.

I've not meant anyone black who is on some we are better because of our genetics tip. Typically its racist cacs that are into the ideology of genetic differences and superiority/inferiority among groups.

God i fukking hate you



Those cacs always use that argument when trying to say that whites are naturally more intelligent, which is racist bullshyt you have been spewing.

 

[Swagnificent]

What does environment and socialization have to do with the olympics? White countries send their finest athletes and they stand no chance what so ever. Same with every other nationally, at the elite level it has been proven that the black man is the superior athlete.

Matter fact black athletes dont only best other races in the highest level of competition they completely dominate them. You telling me the other races arent sending their best athletes? On average there is little difference in humans but we are talking about elite athletes.

You dont need a study to see these things.

You keep using the word "black" when you really mean Jamaicans or Kenyans. Not every "black" people are out here winning medals right and left. As others have pointed out the groups that dominate seem to be very specific. For example, it isn't "black people" that dominate distance running. Hell its not even "Kenyans". Its just one tribe. The Kalejin. Same with sprinting. Its not "black people". Its primarily Jamaicans, West Indians, and black Americans. Where is the Congo in all of this? The Congo is the 3rd most populous country in Africa with a population of 82 million people. Why are they not winning medals right and left in either sprinting or long distance if being "black" is all you need to be a dominant athlete in running?

If you want to say the "Kalejin" dominate distance running, I have no problem. Then we can discuss why that is. But to keep throwing out the word "black" which is just a social construct makes you look foolish. For the record, most "black people" are just as pathetic as most "white people" in these athletic competitions. Its the individuals that are special not the "race" they belong to.

 

[Swagnificent]

Pretty sure Asians just getting noticed for this. They'll get better once they realize they not all gonn be doctors

As for the blacks who dominate it's always from slave countries. That physical labor for hundreds of years had some sort of silver lining I guess

I would think the middle passage was probably a bigger factor since so many people died coming over here. So there was probably some selection for only the most fit people to make it. But more than anything related to genetics, you can't discount social conditioning and culture. As black people we are conditioned to look to sports as a way to "make it". Education really isn't seen as an option. I think that contributes more to why there are so many black folks in the NBA and NFL more than just the physical labor of slavery.

I mean for every LeBron James that is a physical freak, there's a Kevin Durant (who other being tall and long) is great because his skill level is so high. Similarly for every Russell Westbrook who is a physical freak, there's a Kyrie Irving or Steph Curry that is great because of their elite skill level.

I think the idea black people dominate the NBA (for example) because they are better athletically is over stated. Some of the best basketball players like Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, and James Harden are great not because they are extraordinarily athletic but because they have honed a skill level that is elite.

 

[David_TheMan]

Oh and tell me what events in the winter games should be describes as needing explosive movement?

Speed skating, bobsleding, hockey, downhill skiing, you know

As for whites dominating, I literally said race doesn't play a factor in anyone dominating, your reading comprehension is terrible.