Put Prime Kobe on those Heat Teams instead of Prime Lebron. they go 4 for 4 in the Finals

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Well you can SAY the Spurs were a better team back then, but the Pacers were a better defensive team in the way that they were the best in the league statistically and the Spurs were not, so :manny: And Kobe is just not the overall player LeBron is/was in that series. Make Kobe guard positions 1-5, get rebounds over them, take the ball up the court, and also be the PG, and see what you're going to get :francis:
I don't know why this is even a debate, do you really know the type of player Kobe was? That team wouldn't have functioned with his personality.

:stopitslime: kobe and wade r cool as fukk

kobe can do everything u mentioned beside guard the center position and don't act like he did for more than a couple minutes

obv the heat with kobe would play a different style
 

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All that ignoring of context and facts when propping Kobe up, and a lot of plea copping here seems a bit fishy :jbhmm::patrice:

I'm just using an example of prime kobe

out scoring the west finalists in a game that year

carrying a starting line up of smush parker and kwame brown to almost upsetting a second seed suns team with MVP steve nash
 

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You're limiting an entirely different scenario with things from reality. That's stupid as hell. If you're going to imagine a completely different reality, you can't pick and choose what to base this off. If he's going down a completely different path, he can't have also lost 4 times.

but his east teams lost 4 times against the west in the finals

meaning he wouldn't be getting out of the west all those times
 

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Lebron James 35 points, 13 rebounds, and 8 assists.

You could combine the best individual stats from every single one of Kobe's final appearances and it would be lower than Lebron's. His best rebounding series? Worst than Lebron. Best assisting series? Worse than Lebron.

And then you compare teammates? Lebron's performance last series was better than anyone of Kobe's final
appearances and it's not even close.

LeBron's performance was so good last finals, they gave Iggy the MVP for playing good defense against him.

This dude Bron was running around playing the game like a bad 2k player.

Kobe would get killed if he pulled that shyt in a finals series.
 

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Replace Lebron with ANY other player in the league during that time period and they don't even make four Finals (much less six straight).


LMAO OK BUDDY, U COULD REPLACE LEBRON WITH DEROZAN ON THOSE HEAT TEMS AND THEYD MAKE 4 STRAIGHT FINALS....THE EAST IS WEAK AF, STOP THAT.
 

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Paul George sticks his dikk in Kobe, who doesn't even touch the rim trying to get through that Pacers defense

But since it's The Coli, making 1 finals and not making another is better than making 4 and losing so y'all would still revere him

Old man Kobe did pretty well against those Pacers teams so not seeing how they are going to stop prime 35/5/5 Kobe.

Paul George would be calling Kobe up after games asking for advice.
 

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ugh that first year was basically prime healthy wade and he carried them the whole playoffs :comeon:

No he didn't.

For the playoffs, even with Lebron's poor performance in the Finals, Lebron averaged 24-8-6 while Wade averaged 24-7-4. They both took the exact same number of shots. They shared the scoring evenly, Lebron did fall more of the creating on offense (though somehow had fewer turnovers than Wade) and was far more important on defense.

Every team that faced the Heat focused on Lebron first, with Wade being secondary. The Mavs' entire defensive scheme revolved around what to do with Lebron. There's a reason why Lebron was on the court 44 minutes/game for the Heat, while Wade was only playing 39 minutes/game. If Wade was really carrying them, then why are they playing him 30 minutes less than Lebron in each of the last two series?

In the ECF against #1 seed Chicago, Lebron averaged 26-8-7-2-2 on 45/39/86 shooting with incredible defense on Rose.
Wade was at 19-6-2-2-1 on 40/20/83 shooting and meh defense.




So, how would they beat the Spurs? Cause the Heat defense is why they lost that series.
They scored 86 and 87, those games were over by the half and LeBron had 31pts and 28pts in those games.


Average margin of victory was 14ppg which is huge with Bron averaging 28/8/4 on 52%, so please tell me how Kobe on that team stops the Spurs from running a train on the Heats defense? The Spurs had a 121 offensive rating :mjlol:

Exactly. Spurs shot 53% in that series and 47% from three.

(Lebron was actually at 57% shooting and 52% from three, just to fix that stat.)


Duncan shot 57%, Ginobli was at 50% and 42% from three, Kawhi shot 61% and 58% from three, Parker shot 48% and 42% from three, Patty Mills was 54% and 57% from three, Danny Green was 53% and 45% from three, Bellinelli was 47% and 44% from three, Splitter shot freaking 71%...only Diaw dragged their numbers down.

How the hell is Kobe's "career 42% shooting in the Finals" ass going to outscore the Spurs when they're shooting like that? Every time he misses, the Spurs get another shot. You can't beat a team that's shooting 56% on twos and 47% on threes when you ain't even hitting half your twos.



Kobe and Wade on the same team :skip:

Good luck with that.

Exactly...what are they going to do, have Wade be the creator? Have Kobe be the creator except that he has exactly ZERO shooters or dominant big men to feed? (The Heat's entire offense that year outside of Lebron basically revolved around Wade drives and Wade/Bosh hitting long twos.) What would happen to the Heat rebounding and defense when 240lb Joel Anthony, 230lb Chris Bosh, and 210lb Kobe Bryant are your three big men? Is Kobe going to defend forwards all game? Has Kobe ever shown the high-energy, constant-switching defensive chops that made defense with that team even possible? Is Kobe going to stop Rose in the 4th quarter in one game and then man up beasts like David West in other games?




Hmm the Mavs team swept the Lakers that season out of the playoffs with Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol and Ron Artest.

:troll:




U EVER WATCH KOBE? HE CONSISTENTLY BEAT THE SPURS, THE GOAT STR8 UP HAD DUNCAN'S NUMBER

You stay posting stupid.

Kobe had ONE series against the Spurs as the leader of the team, and Ginobli was hurt in that series.

The rest of the time the Lakers and Spurs met, Shaq and Duncan were clearly the best two players on the court and basically played each other to a standstill, both putting up great numbers. The Spurs focused their defense on Shaq and the Lakers focused their defense on Duncan. Kobe was the guy that Pop let get off a ton of shots as the second fiddle because he was way less efficient than Shaq - that how you end u with Kobe putting up 35-40 shots in those games. Anything was better than Shaq going 60% and fouling everyone out. The Spurs lost more than they won (Spurs got 2, Lakers got 3) because Kobe was better than the meager supporting cast that Duncan had, not because he outplayed Duncan at all.




Pretty shyt excuse considering LeBron's been handpicking his teammates since the Decision.

Bron never has enough help. :feedme:

So is the issue that you expect Lebron to be a better GM than all of the actual GMs? :ohhh:

I've never gotten this attack on Lebron. How is him having more say in front his front office does somehow mean that his team will magically be better than other teams? Even if he was an average GM, that would be shocking, because being a GM is a full-time job that doesn't involve almost any of the same skills as being an elite NBA player.



Old man Kobe did pretty well against those Pacers teams so not seeing how they are going to stop prime 35/5/5 Kobe.

Paul George would be calling Kobe up after games asking for advice.

PG versus KB

2011-2012: 1 game, Kobe gets 33 points on 30 shots, Lakers lose
2012-2013: 1st game, Kobe gets 40 points on 28 shots but commits 10 turnovers, Lakers lose
2nd game, Kobe scores 0 points on 4 shots in 12 minutes, Lakers win
2015-2016: Kobe shoots 10-45 in two games combined, Lakers lose both

Kobe managed about a point a possession in his BEST games against the Pacers with PG, and the Lakers lost every game in which Kobe was a significant factor.

In what world is that "pretty well"? You think Kobe performed well just because he put up a lot of points while eating up a lot of possessions?


Think that inflated regular-season stats are going to translate to playoff basketball against real defenses. :mjlol:
 
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No he didn't.

For the playoffs, even with Lebron's poor performance in the Finals, Lebron averaged 24-8-6 while Wade averaged 24-7-4. They both took the exact same number of shots. They shared the scoring evenly, Lebron did fall more of the creating on offense (though somehow had fewer turnovers than Wade) and was far more important on defense.

Every team that faced the Heat focused on Lebron first, with Wade being secondary. The Mavs' entire defensive scheme revolved around what to do with Lebron. There's a reason why Lebron was on the court 44 minutes/game for the Heat, while Wade was only playing 39 minutes/game. If Wade was really carrying them, then why are they playing him 30 minutes less than Lebron in each of the last two series?

In the ECF against #1 seed Chicago, Lebron averaged 26-8-7-2-2 on 45/39/86 shooting with incredible defense on Rose.
Wade was at 19-6-2-2-1 on 40/20/83 shooting and meh defense.







Exactly. Spurs shot 53% in that series and 47% from three.

(Lebron was actually at 57% shooting and 52% from three, just to fix that stat.)


Duncan shot 57%, Ginobli was at 50% and 42% from three, Kawhi shot 61% and 58% from three, Parker shot 48% and 42% from three, Patty Mills was 54% and 57% from three, Danny Green was 53% and 45% from three, Bellinelli was 47% and 44% from three, Splitter shot freaking 71%...only Diaw dragged their numbers down.

How the hell is Kobe's "career 42% shooting in the Finals" ass going to outscore the Spurs when they're shooting like that? Every time he misses, the Spurs get another shot. You can't beat a team that's shooting 56% on twos and 47% on threes when you ain't even hitting half your twos.





Exactly...what are they going to do, have Wade be the creator? Have Kobe be the creator except that he has exactly ZERO shooters or dominant big men to feed? (The Heat's entire offense that year outside of Lebron basically revolved around Wade drives and Wade/Bosh hitting long twos.) What would happen to the Heat rebounding and defense when 240lb Joel Anthony, 230lb Chris Bosh, and 210lb Kobe Bryant are your three big men? Is Kobe going to defend forwards all game? Has Kobe ever shown the high-energy, constant-switching defensive chops that made defense with that team even possible? Is Kobe going to stop Rose in the 4th quarter in one game and then man up beasts like David West in other games?






:troll:






You stay posting stupid.

Kobe had ONE series against the Spurs as the leader of the team, and Ginobli was hurt in that series.

The rest of the time the Lakers and Spurs met, Shaq and Duncan were clearly the best two players on the court and basically played each other to a standstill, both putting up great numbers. The Spurs focused their defense on Shaq and the Lakers focused their defense on Duncan. Kobe was the guy that Pop let get off a ton of shots as the second fiddle because he was way less efficient than Shaq - that how you end u with Kobe putting up 35-40 shots in those games. Anything was better than Shaq going 60% and fouling everyone out. The Spurs lost more than they won (Spurs got 2, Lakers got 3) because Kobe was better than the meager supporting cast that Duncan had, not because he outplayed Duncan at all.






So is the issue that you expect Lebron to be a better GM than all of the actual GMs? :ohhh:

I've never gotten this attack on Lebron. How is him having more say in front his front office does somehow mean that his team will magically be better than other teams? Even if he was an average GM, that would be shocking, because being a GM is a full-time job that doesn't involve almost any of the same skills as being an elite NBA player.





PG versus KB

2011-2012: 1 game, Kobe gets 33 points on 30 shots, Lakers lose
2012-2013: 1st game, Kobe gets 40 points on 28 shots but commits 10 turnovers, Lakers lose
2nd game, Kobe scores 0 points on 4 shots in 12 minutes, Lakers win
2015-2016: Kobe shoots 10-45 in two games combined, Lakers lose both

Kobe managed about a point a possession in his BEST games against the Pacers with PG, and the Lakers lost every game in which Kobe was a significant factor.

In what world is that "pretty well"? You think Kobe performed well just because he put up a lot of points while eating up a lot of possessions?


Think that inflated regular-season stats are going to translate to playoff basketball against real defenses. :mjlol:



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KOBE CONSISTENTLY OWNED THE SPURS N U MAD. KOBE BEEN HAD DUNCAN'S NUMBER....GET OVER IT WEIRDO. TRYNA RE-WRITE HISTORY TO YOUR LEISURE SMFH.. I ACTUALLY SHIITED ON YOU WHEN U TRIED PULLIN THIS DUMBASS BS IN THE OTHER THREAD, BUT U NEVER REPLIED N DUCKED ALL MY POINTS WIT THE QUICKNESS ONCE THEY GOT SHOT DOWN....FALL BACK BRODIE, U JUS GOT DOOKIE ALL OVER YA FACE.
 

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Paul George sticks his dikk in Kobe, who doesn't even touch the rim trying to get through that Pacers defense

But since it's The Coli, making 1 finals and not making another is better than making 4 and losing so y'all would still revere him

Wait....so Paul George and the Pacers would stop Prime Kobe, when Prime Bruce Bowen (with Prime Tim Duncan anchoring the defense) couldn't?:jbhmm:



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