Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[GhostoftheMan]

GET this nikka out of New York

 

[Victim of Racism]

Honest question, what line-up did you think was most effective last night? Which group of five players in the game last night had the most positive impact? Unless you're going to tell Jose and Sasha were the back court, then I don't think it needs to be explained...and if you're going to tell me that Jose and Sasha WERE the back court in our most effective five last night, I know for a fact that we won't see eye to eye so I'm not gonna waste the words.

Honestly, I don't think any of the lineups are the most effective because they all have to play. Sasha did not sign up to play with Jose. He was forced to because of Arron's injury and that this is terrible. That said, the screenshots I posted showed that starting Grant or Gallo will not fix the offense, which is the problem. Y'all keep crying about Jose and Sasha when the defense has been solid. If not for the defense, NY would be getting blown out because they've scored 84, 86, and 92 on 40% shooting. They're 2-1 when they score at least 100 points. That happened the 1st 3 games.

NY's offense plummeted 9 spots (from 3rd to 12th) while the defense has only dipped by 2 spots (from 18 to 20 which is terrible overall but in the last 3 games, the defense has been solid). NY is a pathetic 18th in ppg scored, 16th (just below average) in ppg allowed. They're losing by an average of 1ppg right now. I'm convinced Arron will help that and I hope I'm right.

All that to say, when 3 of your best shooters ('Melo, Arron, and Jose) are coming off of injuries or are injured, you're gonna lose. Name a team who is winning while going through that. NY can't rely on new players like Kris, Derrick, and Grant. They can't rely on 2nd year young players who had to go to the d-league like Gallo. Everyone will have to wait until they get at least a little healthier. I didn't see this coming.

 

[Jmare007]

what the fukk

 

[Kitsch]

Smh

 

[The War Report]

Yo if we lose to LA...

 

[Victim of Racism]

Are you serious?

Maybe your playing the semantics game and pretending I'm saying teams can't win unless the starting backcourt plays well every game. But every team is looking for positive production from the backcourt superstar or not.

The Pistons are relying on KCP and Reggie Jackson to play well enough to give them a chance to win every night. Are they relying on Drummond more? Possibly. But the backcourt has to contribute too.

^^^There's your 1 example that you really didn't need. I don't even see how this point is arguable. This goes for any level of basketball. If I don't need my 5 starters to perform at least the bare minimum at there respective roles, why the hell am I starting them?

Sasha did not sign up to play with Jose. He was forced to because of Arron's injury and that this is terrible. That's like expecting Aaron Brooks to be Rose, only Jose is coming off an injury and Sasha isn't Aaron Brooks. That said, the screenshots I posted showed that starting Grant or Gallo will not fix the offense, which is the problem. Y'all keep crying about Jose and Sasha when the defense has been solid. If not for the defense, NY would be getting blown out because they've scored 84, 86, and 92 on 40% shooting. They're 2-1 when they score at least 100 points. That happened the 1st 3 games.

NY's offense plummeted 9 spots (from 3rd to 12th) while the defense has only dipped by 2 spots (from 18 to 20 which is terrible overall but in the last 3 games, the defense has been solid). NY is a pathetic 18th in ppg scored, 16th (just below average) in ppg allowed. They're losing by an average of 1ppg right now. I'm convinced Arron will help that and I hope I'm right.

All that to say, when 3 of your best shooters ('Melo, Arron, and Jose) are coming off of injuries or are injured, you're gonna lose. Name a team who is winning while going through that. NY can't rely on new players like Kris, Derrick, and Grant. They can't rely on 2nd year young players who had to go to the d-league like Gallo. Jose starts because he's the best passer on the team, who gets you solid looks every possession, and doesn't turn the ball over. Everyone will have to wait until they get at least a little healthier.

 

[Shogun]

Yo if we lose to LA...

fukk that

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Jets and Knicks got some stupid azz coaches

 

[Victim of Racism]

Why don't we put our best guards out there to start with so that they can get more time to rest. Solves all our problems... We get off to a good rhythm early instead of trying to play catch up, we don't have to worry about our young guys tiring because Calderón and Sasha can spell them, and you don't have to come up with excuses as to why the Knicks losing isn't just their fault even though no one is saying that.

All of this is nonsense. NY is losing because NY is missing shots. NY is missing shots because 3 of their best shooters ('Melo, Arron, and Jose) are either coming off of injuries or are injured. NY can't rely on new players like Kris, Derrick, and Grant. They can't rely on 2nd year young players who had to go to the d-league like Gallo. Everyone will have to wait until they get at least a little healthier. The screenshots I posted showed that starting Grant or Gallo will not fix the offense. Gallo and Grant aren't missing because they're tired. Starting them won't make them make shots. Derrick being on the bench isn't stopping him from making shots. You should be able to make shots whether you start or not. Fish isn't making them miss shots. Rotations isn't making them miss shots. They're just missing. Grant and Gallo are not getting blown by because they're tired and not starting. KP isn't letting his man (Henson for one example) go off and constantly fouling because he's tired. As I told @storyteller, when KP, Grant, and Gallo mess up defensively or offensively, it's always someone else's fault. You're the one making excuses.

 

[nieman]

 

[Victim of Racism]

I'm sure @ZemaPromos would argue that Calderon and Vujacic are doing just fine.

:mjlol1:

No, she wouldn't. If they win, someone will have made shots, not because of who is and isn't starting.

 

[nieman]

All of this is nonsense. NY is losing because NY is missing shots. NY is missing shots because 3 of their best shooters ('Melo, Arron, and Jose) are either coming off of injuries or are injured. NY can't rely on new players like Kris, Derrick, and Grant. They can't rely on 2nd year young players who had to go to the d-league like Gallo. Everyone will have to wait until they get at least a little healthier. Gallo and Grant aren't missing because they're tired. Starting them won't make them make shots. Derrick being on the bench isn't stopping him from making shots. You should be able to make shots whether you start or not. Fish isn't making them miss shots. Rotations isn't making them miss shots. They're just missing. Grant and Gallo are not getting blown by because they're tired and not starting. KP isn't letting his man (Henson for one example) go off and constantly fouling because he's tired. As I told @storyteller, when KP, Grant, and Gallo mess up defensively or offensively, it's always someone else's fault. You're the one making excuses.

Galloway may not be shooting well, but he's being aggressive as opposed to Jose, who's not really doing anything. Sasha is shooting and playing his heart out but they're getting blown by easily. KrisP is young so he's learning the NBA pace, but at least he's defending. It doesn't matter if he gets in foul trouble or not, what matters is that he's allowed to learn and grow. The rotations have the worst lineups for offensive output. Fisher subs 4-for-4, then takes out Melo 2 mins later. They go into droughts.

 

[Victim of Racism]

But the problem is that Jose isn't shooting at all. He's great at creating his own shot, but if he's not doing that, what's he in there for? He's not even penetrating. They're pretty much running a PG-less offense, so Jose needs to shoot. I understand that he's still the best PG on the team, but like myself and others have said, he and Sasha should never be on the floor for extended mins together. He can start Galloway along side of Jose or Sasha. Sasha is at least playing like he doesn't want to go back to playing ball for Slovenia..or wherever he was.

Fisher's rotations suck, and they don't work. He got lucky in Game 1, and even then everyone called him out on them. He doesn't have a clue.

Why would he shoot if he can't make shots? That's like saying 'Melo should shoot over triple teams. Jose is out there because he's the best passer on the team, who gets you solid looks every possession, and doesn't turn the ball over. He needs to keep passing to whoever can make more shots and racking up those 5+ assists until he shakes the rust from missing so many games. Sasha did not sign up to play with Jose. He was forced to because of Arron's injury and that this is terrible. That said, the screenshots I posted showed that starting Grant or Gallo will not fix the offense, which is the problem. Not to mention that Grant and Gallo are shooting poorly too.

Y'all keep crying about Jose and Sasha when the defense has been solid. If not for the defense, NY would be getting blown out because they've scored 84, 86, and 92 on 40% shooting. They're 2-1 when they score at least 100 points. That happened the 1st 3 games. NY's offense plummeted 9 spots (from 3rd to 12th) while the defense has only dipped by 2 spots (from 18 to 20 which is terrible overall but in the last 3 games, the defense has been solid). NY is a pathetic 18th in ppg scored, 16th (just below average) in ppg allowed. They're losing by an average of 1ppg right now. I'm convinced Arron will help that and I hope I'm right.

The rotations aren't making Grant, Gallo, and KP miss. KP has 2 good games offensively but that's all. And it's still not enough. NY lost both games.

All that to say, when 3 of your best shooters ('Melo, Arron, and Jose) are coming off of injuries or are injured, you're gonna lose. Name a team who is winning while going through that. NY can't rely on new players like Kris, Derrick, and Grant. They can't rely on 2nd year young players who had to go to the d-league like Gallo. Everyone will have to wait until they get at least a little healthier.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Atleast sasha plays good defense

 

[Victim of Racism]

Galloway is making shots and deserves the starting role though.

You call shooting below 45% on the season "making shots"? You call 33%, 44%, and 40% in the last 3 games (all losses) "making shots"?