Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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How Did KP Rebound Poorly Overseas And In The NBA He's Grabbling Double Digit Boards? That's What Has Me Leery, Hoping He's Not Just Hitting A Good Stride.

He's mostly doing this against teams who have no size (with the exception of the Spurs who were on a back-to-back). He got boards the 2nd time they played the Bucks because Monroe didn't rebound, against the Lake Show because Roy doesn't rebound, and against Charlotte because their bigs don't rebound. Rolo's boxouts also helps all the players rebound better.
 
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Them numbers may be misleading cause to be real I could have replaced Sascha Vu in the lineup and improved the defense

No, Arron is a defender (did you see what he just did to Batum, Harden looked like he was going off, but like Chuckbrook, he just kept shooting, he was 8-20) and a great shooter (NY needed buckets more than anything, but the extra stops certainly isn't hurting them).
 
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He's mostly doing this against teams who have no size (with the exception of the Spurs who were on a back-to-back). He got boards the 2nd time they played the Bucks because Monroe didn't rebound, against the Lake Show because Roy doesn't rebound, and against Charlotte because their bigs don't rebound. Rolo's boxouts also helps all the players rebound better.


The Other Bigs Not Having Good Rebounding Games Doesn't Diminish His Rebounds, And There You Go With Your Back To Back Talk Again, Between That And All Your Stat And Percentage Posting It's Like You've Been Programed By ESPN
 

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The Other Bigs Not Having Good Rebounding Games Doesn't Diminish His Rebounds, And There You Go With Your Back To Back Talk Again, Between That And All Your Stat And Percentage Posting It's Like You've Been Programed By ESPN

:rudy: I hate ESPN. They are a propaganda machine, designed to brainwash viewers. They get zero clicks from me. They're probably over there praising KP with stats, rather than providing context like I did. They did that with Chuckbrook's 34 points, like Jose didn't have him out shooting 11-29. I didn't "diminish" anything. I answered your question. If you didn't want an answer and all you wanted to do was praise KP, you should have said so. :dahell:

P.S. - I provided more than 1 reason for his big rebounding games and I only mentioned Monroe's bad night because when they played the 1st time, Monroe took over the boards.
 
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I hate ESPN. They are propaganda machine, designed to brainwash viewers. They're probably over there praising KP with stats, rather than providing context like I did. They did that with Chuckbrook's 34 points, like Jose didn't have him out shooting 10-29. I didn't "diminish" anything. I answered your question. If you didn't want an answer and all you wanted to do was praise KP, you should have said so. :dahell:



I Praised KP Yet I Questioned The Longevity Of His Double Digit Rebounding...

I Know How To Be Objective

You're Talking About Propagada Machine Yet You Post With A Biased Ass Pro Melo Motive Everytime You Enter This Thread, You Have No Idea How To Be Objective.

You Just Keep Posting Stats, Percentages, And Lame Excuses And We'll Do What We Do
 

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I Praised KP Yet I Questioned The Longevity Of His Double Digit Rebounding...

I Know How To Be Objective

You're Talking About Propagada Machine Yet You Post With A Biased Ass Pro Melo Motive Everytime You Enter This Thread, You Have No Idea How To Be Objective.

You Just Keep Posting Stats, Percentages, And Lame Excuses And We'll Do What We Do

1. People contradict themselves all the time. You accused me of "diminishing" his rebounding just because I answered your question. :mjlol: :cape:
2. Who said you didn't?

3. How would you know my motives? I guess my last few posts were "biased, pro-Arron" motives huh?! You're resorting to ad-hominems because you can't disprove my arguments. Excuse me if I tell the truth about players, acknowledge that they benefit from playing with superstars, and ain't tryna throw 'Melo under the bus to jump on that anti-'Melo bandwagon for a player who can't even create his own shot (75% of his made shots were assisted), dribble without a turnover, get the team a win (with 'Melo on the bench, NY was losing the lead, losing momentum, and losing the game), and learned his post moves (that he rarely converts) from 'Melo who taught him over the summer.
4. You're resorting to ad-hominems again because you can't disprove my arguments, again. People play worse and lose more on back-to-backs. What you call "excuses", history calls facts. :ld:
Your "we'll do what we do" was cute, but you don't speak for everyone on this board.
 
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From what I read its basically due to the difference of style in leagues. In Spain's league players box out more on rebounds. In the US players tend to jump up and try to grab it more.



http://nypost.com/2015/11/12/ex-coachs-inside-look-at-frail-porzingis-transformation/

Also to add to that he's playing with arguably the best box out Center in the league with RoLo who gets him even more space. Hell LMA became a better Rebounder too when he was playing with him as well. You could make an argument RoLo helped LMA overall as well by doing the grunt work that he is still doing next to KP.

Also if like yesterday they are doing a small ball lineup he's gonna have that advantage in height and be next to Melo who is arguably the best stretch 4 in the league. That is going to get defenders out the paint and gives KP even 1 on 1 opportunities to rebound. That's why the rebounds stats tend to be offensive RB's more than Defensive RB's.

Like I can't say this enough as much as KP's fast development has helped the knicks win games, the roster (and staff) of the knicks have helped KP develop faster. I don't think he could do what he is doing as quickly if he had been drafted by the Lakers or Philly.

Did Phil plan it this way idk, but if he did wow
It might be this honestly because he is active and does attack the boards harder then I anticipated hes flashing legit rebounding skills i'm actually pretty sold on him being a very good rebounder for his career.
 

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You got Bigg K da Gawd out here making believers out of the masses :wow:
and we still got his boy Hernangomez on the way :wow:

Phil has been trying to put together a Euro Olympic + NBA hybrid team for a while now with the Knicks, and right now it looks like it's starting to work :ohhh:
 

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[QUOTE="ZemaPromos, post: 16363869, member: 16306"]1. People contradict themselves all the time. You accused me of "diminishing" his rebounding just because I answered your question. :mjlol: :cape:
2. Who said you didn't?

3. How would you know my motives? You're resorting to ad-hominems because you can't disprove my arguments. I guess my last few posts were "biased, pro-Arron" motives huh?!
4. You're resorting to ad-hominems again because you can't disprove my arguments, again. People play worse and lose more on back-to-backs. What you call "excuses", history calls facts. :ld:
Your "we'll do what we do" was cute, but you don't speak for everyone on this board.[/QUOTE]


Nah I Don't Speak For Everyone, But I See How Everyone Speaks, I'll Leave It At That

And You Really Said, Monroe Didn't Rebound, Hibbert Didn't Rebound, Charlottes Bigs Didn't Rebound.. As If It's 3 Freak Coincidences In A Row. The Lopez Explanation Was Legit Analysis But When You Say "The Other Bigs Didn't Rebound" It's Funny

I Never Have A Problem With Other Knicks Fans With Other Knicks Fans Having A Different Opinion Then Me, My Problem Lies Is When People Who Claim To Be KNICKS Fans Came In Here With An Agenda, I Took Issues With Trip Bashing Melo In His Every Comment, I'd Call You Out The Same Way Protecting Him Like Some Super Mom
 

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And You Really Said, Monroe Didn't Rebound, Hibbert Didn't Rebound, Charlottes Bigs Didn't Rebound.. As If It's 3 Freak Coincidences In A Row. The Lopez Explanation Was Legit Analysis But When You Say "The Other Bigs Didn't Rebound" It's Funny

I Never Have A Problem With Other Knicks Fans With Other Knicks Fans Having A Different Opinion Then Me, My Problem Lies Is When People Who Claim To Be KNICKS Fans Came In Here With An Agenda, I Took Issues With Trip Bashing Melo In His Every Comment, I'd Call You Out The Same Way Protecting Him Like Some Super Mom

No, I said Monroe didn't rebound in 1 of the 2 games they played. He dominated the boards the 1st game they played. I said Roy doesn't board, as in he never does, against anyone. He's not a rebounder. I said the same about Charlotte's bigs. If you're gonna give a rebuttal, it's good to quote me correctly.

And your "Super-Mom" comment is more ad-hominem because you can't disprove my arguments, again. :ld: 'Melo is a great player who is always being demonized and whose skills are always being minimized, so I will continue to defend him, now go cry about it.

According to some of y'all, I'm pro-'Melo, pro-Jose, and pro-Sasha. I'm waiting on the "pro-Arron" empty accusations because of my last few posts. If that's what telling the truth makes me, I'll be that.:yeshrug:
 
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@ZemaPromos is probably better off with a dikk in her mouth :manny:
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