Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

See, I'd be wary with this. Your giving up grant, a younger player who still has much growth, for rose whose had 2 acl(?) injuries and on the decline just for some picks. I don't see Phil making this type of move.

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was suggesting to trade Grant, because I wouldn't, just putting his name there because I figure that's what it would take to get Rose. I fully agree with you on not trading Grant.

Why would you have to give up Grant to get Rose?

Bulls would give Rose for free if they could. Rose has 2 years left unless he has an opt out

He has one more year for 21 mil after this season.

Rose doesn't have much trade value, but it's not like the Bulls are gonna do a team a favor and take their trash for him when the could let Rose expire at the end of next season. I wouldn't look for a straight up salary dump unless they're looking to use that money in free agency somehow, and trade Rose beforehand.

I'm not saying Rose is the best move out there, just that it's better than signing Conley for a max.

 

[Kitsch]

Keep Conley and Rondo away from my Knicks.

 

[storyteller]

this thread is full of people who are willing to keep making and whining about the same mistakes over and over... it just blows my mind

We can pray for a slow, steady build with Clarkson and Crabbe/Fournier as the top targets. That's my ideal offseason. But it's a fool's errand to completely ignore what the president, GM, star player and head coach have all alluded to which is that they're gunning for the postseason (I'd put money on Dolan having to do with that sentiment). Rondo/Conley is Hillary/Trump to me...I don't want either of them, but if we're gonna have to choose we might as well figure out which is least worst and start hoping for that. For me least worst will be the guy who counts as roughly a tenth of the cap instead of the guy who will count closer to 1/5 of it.

 

[Remote]

Yo there are WAY TOO MANY stories in the media lately about how the Knicks should trade Melo.

Melo has said a billion times he ain't going nowhere.

It's like there's some sort of conspiracy to gin up media hype so this trade becomes a reality.

It's suspicious as fukk, b.

 

[I.V.]

Does it really blow your mind, breh?

Kind of, yes.

Most people aren't savvy GMs, breh. They love the team, like a fan, and they believe they'll win every year.

That's cool.

Don't think too much about it. Let them have their fun and you concentrate on the convos that you believe are on your level.

I do that.

You are cool people but when a person buys a lottery ticket...knowing that the odds are worse than getting struck by lightning but they get flush in the face and talk about how they are going to this with their money... and that with their money...


It is one thing to play the lottery and daydream about what it would be like to hit the powerball.

It is quite another to keep doubling down on the lottery as your best source of income, and be surprised each and every week when you lose.


Don't come through and be on some grumpy shyt, sipping a latter like... "You know, you're ridiculous for thinking you have a chance, right?"



We all trying to live and enjoy the game of basketball, breh. The GM shyt is secondary.

But not really... there are people in this thread talking about taking on Rajon Rondo, and trying to sign deals because of "Melo's window" -- like we haven't already seen that movie.

Anybody can watch a team, sit in their living room and believe that this is their year... but this isn't your living room, it's a sports message board, and specifically a team-thread in a sports message board.

I don't frequent the board that often, and I don't look at many threads when I do... but when I'm in here, people have ostensibly come to talk about the knicks, to talk about what they should do, what they are doing, what we think might happen... so I'm not really in the business of sifting out whom I should respond to, and whom I shouldn't. I'll do that in the NBA Draft talk thread, where most of the guys haven't watched a college game all year, and certainly haven't watched any overseas leagues.

But here? I assume guys are watching the knicks, and know what is happening. So when somebody is talking about signing bums to long deals, trying to get Melo an 8 seed... your'e gonna see me go

Going back and forth about ideas, a dialogue about players, schemes, ideas and trends... that's fun for me.

Why else would I hang with a bunch of strangers in the first place? Any one of y'all could be a serial killer.

We can pray for a slow, steady build with Clarkson and Crabbe/Fournier as the top targets. That's my ideal offseason. But it's a fool's errand to completely ignore what the president, GM, star player and head coach have all alluded to which is that they're gunning for the postseason (I'd put money on Dolan having to do with that sentiment). Rondo/Conley is Hillary/Trump to me...I don't want either of them, but if we're gonna have to choose we might as well figure out which is least worst and start hoping for that. For me least worst will be the guy who counts as roughly a tenth of the cap instead of the guy who will count closer to 1/5 of it.

Honestly, if it comes down to that. I'd rather pay twice as much for Conley. And I HATE the idea of max'ing conley.

But Rondo is WASHED. He can't defend anymore, he still can't shoot... he's the opposite of what we need.

 

[GPBear]

I need some Jim Havlicek on my name, Brehs

always my 6 man in NBA 2k15

Get some Shawn Kemp and John Havlicek, it's over brehs

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I've seen Clarkson bounced around as a target, and I noticed I never really considered him as a target until recently. What kind of offer would it take for LA to go and back off?

 

[storyteller]

Honestly, if it comes down to that. I'd rather pay twice as much for Conley. And I HATE the idea of max'ing conley.

But Rondo is WASHED. He can't defend anymore, he still can't shoot... he's the opposite of what we need.

That tendinitis in the achilles got me sweating bullets, that ish is gonna end up being the chronic version with our luck. I get visions of Amare and Houston when I think about it.

 

[storyteller]

I've seen Clarkson bounced around as a target, and I noticed I never really considered him as a target until recently. What kind of offer would it take for LA to go and back off?

My running theory to steal Clarkson is to make a double digit offer before LA has the time to sign Derozan or other top targets. If we force them to dip into their funds before they've locked up the max targets, maybe we can force them to choose between matching and chasing a big name (think Chandler Parsons to Dallas while Houston negotiated with Dwight).

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

Did anyone peep Chad ford's 3 team deal between cavs, suns and knicks?

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

My running theory to steal Clarkson is to make a double digit offer before LA has the time to sign Derozan or other top targets. If we force them to dip into their funds before they've locked up the max targets, maybe we can force them to choose between matching and chasing a big name (think Chandler Parsons to Dallas while Houston negotiated with Dwight).

I could see this happening Good size, can play the 1 or 2, athletic, very good at creating his own shot, I'd definitely like to have him on the Knicks. Plus from what I've read and heard, he's a hardworking, high character guy. That, plus given his age, makes me think he still has room to improve considerably.

And being the cause of LA's star chasing ways backfiring on them world be beautiful, I wanna see this happen now

 

[storyteller]

Did anyone peep Chad ford's 3 team deal between cavs, suns and knicks?

Going into the tank with Buddy Hield or Kris Dunn in hand, a ton of caproom and a strong draft class approaching is a really intriguing prospect. But it's a lot of "eh" assets being thrown at us instead of a couple of great assets for a couple of quality pieces going out. I'd prefer to hold RoLo and sell at the trade deadline if we moved Melo for a full-on tank. Plus, I've gotten more and more convinced that Phil has zero interest in tanking or even taking his time with the build.

edit: lemme add a disclaimer, Alex Len is a pretty cool prospect but early injuries make his value questionable.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Yo there are WAY TOO MANY stories in the media lately about how the Knicks should trade Melo.

Melo has said a billion times he ain't going nowhere.

It's like there's some sort of conspiracy to gin up media hype so this trade becomes a reality.

It's suspicious as fukk, b.

It's weird. Phil is using jedi mind tricks to get Melo the f*ck out of here.

 

[kurt]

I don't see why folks are in a rush to put together a 40 win max sqaud. The Knicks FINALLY OWN all their future 1st round picks. Let grant and wroten rock out and see what you have. knicks been trash since forever, that quick fix shyt doesn't work. Even if you have a superstar u still need young, cheap/ controlled talent to make it work.

Look at melo brehs, dude is a legit superstar surrounded by Lance thomas, Galloway,Seraphin and other trash ass non premium talent ( lottery picks ), we've seen the results. Now say you replace lance with Dario Saric ( guy who got picked with the knicks pick in 2014) and things are looking different, cost controlled talent that has way more POTENTIAL than anything lance could become.Or you Replace Galloway with Levine who went the next pick after Saric and all folks would be talking about is starting 5 that has Levine, Melo and KP in it. Contantly picking up other teams cast offs because you don't have any drafted talent has fukked the knicks. Going for the quick fix(Conley, Rondo) will only handicap them with bad contracts and make them want to pull of some bs trade in season to "put them over the top" thus the cycle is restarted. I say play this shyt out for a complete rebuild. if Melo can't rock with that, not that i would blame him, then he can ask out giving the knicks more assets to put together a team worth a damn. Using the second round to find quality Euro's to develop( Phil's been doing this).

I'm legit disgusted that it's taken 10+ years for them to figure this out. I almost walked away after that Bargs trade. shyt hurt my heart, cause i seen that before. Phil seems to be doing shyt the right way ( that Rambis shyt scared me tho). The only way for the culture to change for the knicks is through the draft. A steady stream of talent consistently being added to the squad, Grant and KP are good start.
This all goes out the window if a top 10 player wants to join via FA like Durant or LeBron for 2016. Or steph or Westbrook for 2017.

The only FA's the knicks should be targeting are; Crabbe,Fournier, maybe Whiteside ( gotta check them red flags out) Young and talented, without the expectations that he will make you into a contender.

 

[I.V.]

Going into the tank with Buddy Hield or Kris Dunn in hand, a ton of caproom and a strong draft class approaching is a really intriguing prospect. But it's a lot of "eh" assets being thrown at us instead of a couple of great assets for a couple of quality pieces going out. I'd prefer to hold RoLo and sell at the trade deadline if we moved Melo for a full-on tank. Plus, I've gotten more and more convinced that Phil has zero interest in tanking or even taking his time with the build.

edit: lemme add a disclaimer, Alex Len is a pretty cool prospect but early injuries make his value questionable.

Len, the 4, and the 13 ... that is a HAUL.

You're looking at some combo of Chriss/Dunn/Bender/Heild/Murray... and Korkmaz/Skal/Davis/Luwawu... all that PLUS Alex Len is a pretty significant bounty.

I would have very hard time making an argument AGAINST this deal, even with questions about Len's development, and whether you can play him with Porzingis. He has thrived as a 4, but KP is a stretch 5 in the perfect world.