QB Purgatory

[#1 pick]

i been thinkin pick…are we really gonna judge him after this shytty ass season

do you not remember his first throw against the lions.. to mike jenkins..touchdown

do you not remember that bears victory.. 11 fukkin seconds bro… matty bryant for the gw winner..good

do you not remember telling the carolina panties to get the fukk off our field

do you not remember him standing toe to toe with peyton manning on MNF..(albeit the amoeba defense played a large part)

he's the biggest winner out of all those dudes.. he's not ideal..but he does not belong with those bums like andy dalton.. and if you can't see that.. you are the one who could use a user name change

I judged him three years ago and was dead accurate then and everything I said remains the same. He didn't look worse this year then other years, what was around him was worse.

That started Detroit 0-16 season. I remember.

That was a good playcall and great execution by Ryan and the offense in general.

That was stupid. One of the most p*ssy things I've seen. He should have said that when he was in the play field after the touchdown but his heart pumps kool-aid. I still remember Flacco shytted on him and he kindly responded back. It's a shame. Peyton and Brady have eat dudes and teams up for talking reckless. After that, we haven't beat the Panthers since.

That was on the defense more than Ryan. That was a great team game. Not sure why you brought that up. It wasn't like Ryan was great and Peyton was horrible that game.

Andy Dalton has better numbers in his first three seasons, more team wins, and more TD's. Dalton deserves to be in conversation with Ryan as both are game managers who are terrible v. pressure. At least, Dalton can move a little bit and has a decent deep ball. Ryan of course is much smarter and a better decision maker.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

ill need to locate the stats…but ryan has to be a top 5 clutch PLAYER in the nfl period.. every team he has lost too in the playoffs since his career began has made the Super Bowl.. partly bad defense..partly bad luck..but that says something

Hes a very good qb alot of the Falcons fanbase is in a 02 timewarp and still have Vick hangover and have been too critical of Ryan

Hes a better qb then Flacco who won a super bowl,as i said yes he has some flaws but in a league with so many shyt qbs to say you just want to get rid of him and get another qb is idiotic

 

[#1 pick]

Falcons still put up enough points to win that Niner game that d has to make a stop,in the playoffs youre playign good teams no qb is gonna put up video game numbers

Is Ryan ever gonna be top 5? no but you can win with him

When you realize how many bad qbs are out there who cant even make you competitive offensively youll appreciate Ryan more yes he has flaws but hes a good solid qb you can do alot worse

Our offense is our defense. We put 65% of our salary into our offense then and even more now. We are a ball control based team with great weapons. If our weapons aren't open, we must control the clock. What SF did in the 2nd half was stop all of the short passes, double Julio, let the running game get going and force Ryan to put the team on his back. He greatly failed and in return, half of our possessions in the 2nd half were three and outs.

Luckily for us, Seattle missed a FG the week before for us to even be in the game.

You can win with Ryan but you can win with Cutler as well. That doesn't make them worth being elite QB salary. You have to built a great team around those two players to win in this league.

 

[#1 pick]

Hes a very good qb alot of the Falcons fanbase is in a 02 timewarp and still have Vick hangover and have been too critical of Ryan

Hes a better qb then Flacco who won a super bowl,as i said yes he has some flaws but in a league with so many shyt qbs to say you just want to get rid of him and get another qb is idiotic

Flacco important numbers are superior to Ryan and when the playoffs come, he steps his game up several notches while Ryan regresses. If you actually watch Football and both QB's, you would never say Ryan is better or as good as Flacco. Flacco is an Air Coryell QB. By design, they will have worse numbers than Ryan. Look at Luck, Big Ben, and Carson Palmer who are currently in an Air Coryell offense. Phillip Rivers greatly improved leaving an Air Coryell offense because he lacked the tools for that system.

 

[Steezy]

I judged him three years ago and was dead accurate then and everything I said remains the same. He didn't look worse this year then other years, what was around him was worse.

That started Detroit 0-16 season. I remember.

That was a good playcall and great execution by Ryan and the offense in general.

That was stupid. One of the most p*ssy things I've seen. He should have said that when he was in the play field after the touchdown but his heart pumps kool-aid. I still remember Flacco shytted on him and he kindly responded back. It's a shame. Peyton and Brady have eat dudes and teams up for talking reckless. After that, we haven't beat the Panthers since.

That was on the defense more than Ryan. That was a great team game. Not sure why you brought that up. It wasn't like Ryan was great and Peyton was horrible that game.

Andy Dalton has better numbers in his first three seasons, more team wins, and more TD's. Dalton deserves to be in conversation with Ryan as both are game managers who are terrible v. pressure. At least, Dalton can move a little bit and has a decent deep ball. Ryan of course is much smarter and a better decision maker.

dalton has a monster defense and a consistent running game. something ryan has never had…well..had 1 year but we all saw the decay of burner turner. bottom line is we've seen matt do it on the 2nd biggest stage in the League.. that seattle game..the SF game ( which you know DAMN well he played well enough to win before our D shyt the bed).. hell the revenge NY game. add to the fact that he rarely crumbles in comeback situations i don't believe he deserve to be on a list with romo , dalton and them other weed carriers named.

 

[Trip]

You could just rename the title of the thread to Chad Pennington

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Flacco important numbers are superior to Ryan and when the playoffs come, he steps his game up several notches while Ryan regresses. If you actually watch Football and both QB's, you would never say Ryan is better or as good as Flacco. Flacco is an Air Coryell QB. By design, they will have worse numbers than Ryan. Look at Luck, Big Ben, and Carson Palmer who are currently in an Air Coryell offense. Phillip Rivers greatly improved leaving an Air Coryell offense because he lacked the tools for that system.

Flaccos a much better deep ball thrower which helps in the playoffs yes but Ryan you can win with that shyt defense is your biggest problem

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

You can also be in HC purgatory. Ex: NY Jets

I disagree…..

I think the Jets have a solid coach but as soon as Sanchez started performing terribly it was a wrap and Geno isn't an NFL QB to me.

 

[Steezy]

Our offense is our defense. We put 65% of our salary into our offense then and even more now. We are a ball control based team with great weapons. If our weapons aren't open, we must control the clock. What SF did in the 2nd half was stop all of the short passes, double Julio, let the running game get going and force Ryan to put the team on his back. He greatly failed and in return, half of our possessions in the 2nd half were three and outs.

You can win with Ryan but you can win with Cutler as well. That doesn't make them worth being elite QB salary. You have to built a great team around those two players to win in this league.

did he fail.. or did turner fail ? a QB can only do so much especially against that great SF defense..

and i will agree.. i was sick as fukk when we gave him 100 mil..he's not worth 100 mil..barely half that

but he can take us to the promised this THIS YEAR with a great draft and FA period.. I've seen it

 

[#1 pick]

Flaccos a much better deep ball thrower which helps in the playoffs yes but Ryan you can win with that shyt defense is your biggest problem

Our defense wasn't shyt last year. It gave up less points than Baltimore. We were bend don't break and we caused a lot of turnovers thanks to our system. We actually were in the top 5 for points allowed and for turnovers. Matt Ryan was a HUGE part of our failure in the playoffs and will remain to be so.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

People need to get over the concept of having some surefire elite QB such as Brady/manning/Rodgers etc, there isn't going to be 32 of those, there won't even be 32 Matt Ryan's, QB purgatory isn't that bad if you effectively build a team around that QB, on both side of the ball, and pair it with quality coaching. As long as you don't have a turnover machine or tony romo, you're competitive.

 

[FTBS]

One of the reasons Seattle is so good is because of the new structured Pay scale for Rookies and the round they took Wilson in. He's being paid like 1/40th or what Joe Flacco made this year. Allows them to spend the money on keeping all their defensive standouts.

He was a 3rd round pick though so it's not like they would've broke the bank for him anyway. That new scale is certainly helping Indy and CAR though.

The Giants defense was ranked 27th the last super bowl they won they played better in the offs but the offense got em there

That's why they went 9-7 and barely made the playoffs. Once the playoffs rolled around they held the top two offenses in the league and 2 of the best ever to 37 pts combined.

 

[#1 pick]

did he fail.. or did turner fail ? a QB can only do so much especially against that great SF defense..

and i will agree.. i was sick as fukk when we gave him 100 mil..he's not worth 100 mil..barely half that

but he can take us to the promised this THIS YEAR with a great draft and FA period.. I've seen it

Turner was on the downfall and we all knew it but even then, Burner was still one of the best red-zone backs in the NFL. We all see this year how badly we missed him.

SF wasn't even putting a ton of pressure on him in the NFCCG. They were mainly playing to contain him and get him out of his comfort spots in the pocket. If you played Tony Romo that way, he would rape you.

We need a good defense, a mean OL, a safety weapon like Gonzo was for us, and a power RB who can get first downs and touchdowns. Even then, it might not be enough with the way Seattle and SF is built and if Carolina could get some weapons, add them to that list as well.

 

[FTBS]

People need to get over the concept of having some surefire elite QB such as Brady/manning/Rodgers etc, there isn't going to be 32 of those, there won't even be 32 Matt Ryan's, QB purgatory isn't that bad if you effectively build a team around that QB, on both side of the ball, and pair it with quality coaching. As long as you don't have a turnover machine or tony romo, you're competitive.

Romo would be fine on a team with a shut down D, that ran the ball alot. The problem with the Cowboys is they are trying to be like the Manning led Colts...full of all kinds of offensive weapons and throwing the ball all around the yard. If they were to commit to the run and shut teams down on D, Romo is a guy you can work with. I mean Mark Sanchez made it to two straight AFC title games following that same template. Romo is on par with Eli and better than Flacco and those guys were able to get it together for a 4 game run. I think Romo could do the same. Cowboys as an org and from a coaching perspective just make horrible moves. Signing Romo to that deal was one of them.

 

[#StarkSet]

Will be interesting to see what happens to kaep, Wilson, and Newton once they get big contracts


Less money will be spent on their great defenses