Question for agnostic brehs

[Nomadum]

I mean...depends on what you mean by "random"..

So now I meant a completely different meaning than the held one on "random"?

You've already stated enough for me to know I disagree with you on some level.

Instead of questioning my stance and beliefs, you automatically write me off from one differing thing?

I'm only responding to the logical fallacies you've invoked in your previous posts. You've reached some conclusion based on fallacious reasoning

You even tried to respond back intelligently but failed to do so. now if I remember correctly, I stated that I believe in a higher power due to personal experiences but that I wouldn't be able to recreate the experiences. so if anything, the most input I've provided only "logically" allows you to reduce my post's to subjective experience. which in itself is neither a fallacy nor a truth because it's all based on the individuals perception. but you didn't even do that, you off gp, assumed I was wrong and came to the conclusion of...

what that conclusion is, to me, is irrelevant.

..... Lol, I dig it now. Continue on breh, no harm done.

Don't feed the troll's breh's

 

[Chrishaune]

to be fair, All religious books are written by men. and the history of organized religion proves that it's main purpose and goal is to allow for control.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[tmonster]

Absolutely right Breh.

No telescope / atom smasher / quantum computer can see It.

I think it is of value to establish what kind deliberation we are engaged in
are we waxing poetics or engaging in concepts desiring objectivity?
there is a place where the two meet but they definitely have their separate categories

 

[tmonster]

You saying that I attach greater meaning to random events right?

Well you're wrong, instead of assuming what it is I believe, know and understanding.... why not just ask me? because so far you're batting 0 for 1

eh...what is it that you believe?

 

[tmonster]

once a spirit is incarnated (or reincarnated) it is never it's final form.

serious question: how do you know that?
I can elaborate if the question seems strange
you were once born, you have spent a given amount of time living on this rock like th rest of us, for a given amount of cycles around the sun. what in that time has given you the ability to know that, "once a spirit is incarnated (or reincarnated) it is never it's final form."?

 

[tmonster]

life in the universe has a piece of the creator within it's vessel

what can you tell us about that piece, besides the above?

 

[tmonster]

a spirit is always a spirit, the only difference is what it materializes as or attaches to.

how do you know this?
how do you define "knowing"?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I think it is of value to establish what kind deliberation we are engaged in
are we waxing poetics or engaging in concepts desiring objectivity?
there is a place where the two meet but they definitely have their separate categories

Everything around you is an idea that was manifested. Your crib. Your iPhone. Your whip.

Einstein used thought experiments which resulted in the realest thing ever built (nukes).

So I can't draw some kind of line there. The OP asked why people who don't believe in humanoid diety with white beard believe in some kind of G-d instead of just nothing.

So that's basically it. It's real. If it wasn't real it wouldn't be a thing to discuss. Even so, it's ephemeral as can be and there's no way to physically quantify it (it being G-d).

I guess you'd call the mechanism for verifying it "intuition".

 

[tmonster]

Everything around you is an idea that was manifested

ok let's assume this as fact
what is the implication of this fact?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

ok let's assume this as fact
what is the implication of this fact?

The Universe is consciousness.

 

[tmonster]

The Universe is consciousness.

we will come back to the logical connection, which I am not sure how that happens

but let's assume it as fact, what is the implication of this fact?

The Universe is consciousness.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

we will come back to the logical connection, which I am not sure how that happens

but let's assume it as fact, what is the implication of this fact?

Who's consciousness?

(G-d's)

As evidenced by we creatures of thought being able to shape it with our own thoughts.

 

[Nomadum]

eh...what is it that you believe?

I believe that there is a creator that has fashioned this universe. I do not believe this creator is a single definable entity but is a force. the purpose for this force creating other life is to aid in it's overall growth or learning. How do I know this? personal experiences on top of research and info-checking. When I say I "know" something it's usually due to having some form of personal understanding as well as general/researched findings/backings. Am I out here telling someone their religious choice is right or wrong? no. but this is what I "know" to be accurate for me.

 

[Nomadum]

Who's consciousness?

(G-d's)

As evidenced by we creatures of thought being able to shape it with our own thoughts.

even one better...



the double slit experiment is prime proof that the universe is conscious.

 

[Soon]

in all honesty, All Religion stims from the same source. the only difference is that due to cultural differences, there is different perception of reality, life and the after life. all the new shyt being discovered by science was taught to man before man's subsequent "fall" from it's grace (not speaking about the angels fall). You'll find that truths link up across multiple religions under different names and titles.

it's all the same, just given different names when viewed from different angles(cultural point of views)

No. We are not talking about angles. We are talking tradition, practices and beliefs. The differences are so apparent that it is a clash, rather than harmony.

I believe that there is a creator that has fashioned this universe. I do not believe this creator is a single definable entity but is a force. the purpose for this force creating other life is to aid in it's overall growth or learning. How do I know this? personal experiences on top of research and info-checking. When I say I "know" something it's usually due to having some form of personal understanding as well as general/researched findings/backings. Am I out here telling someone their religious choice is right or wrong? no. but this is what I "know" to be accurate for me.

To call the divine a force is to imply the divine has no awareness.

I believe God and the Angels inspires and strengthens/protect people as described in 1 Corinthians, this is what some mystics would call metaphysics.